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	By contrast with Joseph Smith's day, after more than a hundred years church leaders implemented a more stringent application of the Word of Wisdom. Thus, Joseph Fielding Smith's remarks apply to those under the current standards and laws. D&C 89 was clear that the revelation was from God, but it was not made a commandment or "point of fellowship" until the twentieth century.

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	~~Critics count on "presentism"—they hope readers will judge historical figures by the standards of ''our'' day, instead of ''their'' day.~~

	The Word of Wisdom was enforced differently in the 19th century than today. It was not the strict test of fellowships that it is for the modern member. Members and leaders struggled with its application, and leaders of the Church were clear that while the Lord expected perfect adherence to the Word of Wisdom as an ideal, he was also patient and understanding of everyone—leader and member—who struggled to alter their habits.

	~~{{SeeAlso\|Word of Wisdom\|l1=Word of Wisdom: history of its enforcement\|Word_of_Wisdom/Joseph_Smith_used_tea\|l2=Joseph and medicinal "violation" of the Word of Wisdom}}~~

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	By contrast with Joseph Smith's day, after more than a hundred years church leaders implemented a more stringent application of the Word of Wisdom. Thus, Joseph Fielding Smith's remarks apply to those under the current standards and laws. D&C 89 was clear that the revelation was from God, but it was not made a commandment or "point of fellowship" until the twentieth century.		By contrast with Joseph Smith's day, after more than a hundred years church leaders implemented a more stringent application of the Word of Wisdom. Thus, Joseph Fielding Smith's remarks apply to those under the current standards and laws. D&C 89 was clear that the revelation was from God, but it was not made a commandment or "point of fellowship" until the twentieth century.

	~~In the present circumstances, we can now consider Pres. Smith's words (quoted by the Tanners):~~

	~~:''Doctrines of Salvation'' 2:16 - ''nothing there?''{{ref\|jfs.2.16}}~~

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	~~Critics quote~~ Joseph Fielding Smith ~~as saying~~ that the consumption of tea may bar someone from the celestial kingdom. ~~Their goal seems to be at least two-fold:~~		Joseph Fielding Smith said that the consumption of tea may bar someone from the celestial kingdom.
	~~# to imply that~~ such a minor matter as tea consumption ~~should not~~ affect one's eternal destiny, especially if one is saved by grace.		*Would such a minor matter as tea consumption affect one's eternal destiny, especially if one is saved by grace?
	~~# to set up~~ a "contradiction" in which one prophet says tea can prevent exaltation, while another prophet—Joseph Smith—is recorded as drinking tea~~. The Tanners claim, with barely disguised glee, that Joseph Smith wouldn't be able to get a temple recommend today.~~		*Is there a "contradiction" in which one prophet says tea can prevent exaltation, while another prophet—Joseph Smith—is recorded as drinking tea?

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	By contrast with Joseph Smith's day, after more than a hundred years church leaders implemented a more stringent application of the Word of Wisdom. Thus, Joseph Fielding Smith's remarks apply to those under the current standards and laws. D&C 89 was clear that the revelation was from God, but it was not made a commandment or "point of fellowship" until the twentieth century.		By contrast with Joseph Smith's day, after more than a hundred years church leaders implemented a more stringent application of the Word of Wisdom. Thus, Joseph Fielding Smith's remarks apply to those under the current standards and laws. D&C 89 was clear that the revelation was from God, but it was not made a commandment or "point of fellowship" until the twentieth century.

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	~~Critics count on "presentism"—they hope readers will judge historical figures by~~ the ~~standards~~ of '~~'our'' day~~, ~~instead~~ of ~~''their'' day~~.		By contrast with Joseph Smith's day, after more than a hundred years church leaders implemented a more stringent application of the Word of Wisdom. Thus, Joseph Fielding Smith's remarks apply to those under the current standards and laws. D&C 89 was clear that the revelation was from God, but it was not made a commandment or "point of fellowship" until the twentieth century.

	~~The Word of Wisdom was enforced differently in~~ the ~~19th century than today~~. ~~It was not~~ the strict test of fellowships that it is for the modern member. Members and leaders struggled with its application, and leaders of the Church were clear that while the Lord expected perfect adherence to the Word of Wisdom as an ideal, he was also patient and understanding of everyone—leader and member—who struggled to alter their habits.		In the present circumstances, we can now consider Pres. Smith's words (quoted by the Tanners):

	{{~~SeeAlso\|Word of Wisdom\|l1=Word of Wisdom: history of its enforcement\|Word_of_Wisdom/Joseph_Smith_used_tea~~\|~~l2=Joseph and medicinal "violation" of the Word of Wisdom~~}}		:''Doctrines of Salvation'' 2:16 - ''nothing there?''{{ref\|jfs.2.16}}

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	~~By contrast with Joseph Smith~~'s day, ~~after more than a hundred years church leaders implemented a more stringent application~~ of ~~the Word of Wisdom. Thus, Joseph Fielding Smith~~'s remarks apply to those under the current standards and laws. D&C 89 was clear that the revelation was from God, but it was not made a commandment or "point of fellowship" until the twentieth century.		Critics count on "presentism"—they hope readers will judge historical figures by the standards of ''our'' day, instead of ''their'' day.

	In the ~~present circumstances~~, ~~we can now consider Pres~~. ~~Smith's words (quoted by the Tanners):~~		The Word of Wisdom was enforced differently in the 19th century than today. It was not the strict test of fellowships that it is for the modern member. Members and leaders struggled with its application, and leaders of the Church were clear that while the Lord expected perfect adherence to the Word of Wisdom as an ideal, he was also patient and understanding of everyone—leader and member—who struggled to alter their habits.

	:~~''Doctrines~~ of ~~Salvation'' 2:16 - ''nothing there?''{{ref~~\|~~jfs.2.16~~}}		{{SeeAlso\|Word of Wisdom\|l1=Word of Wisdom: history of its enforcement\|Word_of_Wisdom/Joseph_Smith_used_tea\|l2=Joseph and medicinal "violation" of the Word of Wisdom}}

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