Repudiated ideas about race - Revision history

GregSmith: /* Latter-day Saints need feel no responsibility to defend what may, by today's standards, seem to be racist statements attributed to fallible Church leaders in the past */

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Latter-day Saints need feel no responsibility to defend what may, by today's standards, seem to be racist statements attributed to fallible Church leaders in the past

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	No person will be judged by the fallible ideas or policies of men; "the keeper of the gate is the Holy One of Israel, and he employeth no servant there" ({{s\|2\|Nephi\|9\|41}}).		No person will be judged by the fallible ideas or policies of men; "the keeper of the gate is the Holy One of Israel, and he employeth no servant there" ({{s\|2\|Nephi\|9\|41}}).

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GregSmith: /* It has never been a doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ that blacks would enter heaven only as slaves */

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It has never been a doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ that blacks would enter heaven only as slaves

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	At the time of Elder Petersen's remarks, black members of the Church did not and could not hold the priesthood in this life. The reasons behind this are complex, and still debated.		At the time of Elder Petersen's remarks, black members of the Church did not and could not hold the priesthood in this life. The reasons behind this are complex, and still debated.

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	=Despite the restriction on priesthood, Elder Petersen asserted that black members of the Church who were faithful to their covenants would be exalted in the celestial kingdom=		=Despite the restriction on priesthood, Elder Petersen asserted that black members of the Church who were faithful to their covenants would be exalted in the celestial kingdom=

GregSmith at 05:03, 28 May 2024

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			{{epigraph\|December 25, 1869: I attended the School of the Prophets. Many questions were asked. President Young answered them. Lorenzo Young asked if the spirits of Negroes were neutral in heaven. He said someone said Joseph Smith said they were. President Young said no they were not. There were no neutral spirits in heaven at the time of the rebellion. All took sides. He said if anyone said that he heard the Prophet Joseph say that the spirits of the Blacks were neutral in heaven, he would not believe them, for he heard Joseph say to the contrary. All spirits are pure that come from the presence of God. The posterity of Cain are black because he commit[ted] murder. He killed Abel and God set a mark upon his posterity. But the spirits are pure that enter their tabernacles and there will be a chance for the redemption of all the children of Adam except the sons of perdition.<br><br>—Wilford Woodruff's Journal, entry dated Dec. 25, 1869.
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	=Gospel Topics: "Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects actions in a premortal life"=		=Gospel Topics: "Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects actions in a premortal life"=
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	Even after 1852, at least two black Mormons continued to hold the priesthood. When one of these men, Elijah Abel, petitioned to receive his temple endowment in 1879, his request was denied. Jane Manning James, a faithful black member who crossed the plains and lived in Salt Lake City until her death in 1908, similarly asked to enter the temple; she was allowed to perform baptisms for the dead for her ancestors but was not allowed to participate in other ordinances. The curse of Cain was often put forward as justification for the priesthood and temple restrictions. Around the turn of the century, another explanation gained currency: blacks were said to have been less than fully valiant in the premortal battle against Lucifer and, as a consequence, were restricted from priesthood and temple blessings.<ref>[http://www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng "Race and the Priesthood,"] ''Gospel Topics'' on LDS.org. (2013)</ref> {{read more\|url=http://www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng}}		Even after 1852, at least two black Mormons continued to hold the priesthood. When one of these men, Elijah Abel, petitioned to receive his temple endowment in 1879, his request was denied. Jane Manning James, a faithful black member who crossed the plains and lived in Salt Lake City until her death in 1908, similarly asked to enter the temple; she was allowed to perform baptisms for the dead for her ancestors but was not allowed to participate in other ordinances. The curse of Cain was often put forward as justification for the priesthood and temple restrictions. Around the turn of the century, another explanation gained currency: blacks were said to have been less than fully valiant in the premortal battle against Lucifer and, as a consequence, were restricted from priesthood and temple blessings.<ref>[http://www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng "Race and the Priesthood,"] ''Gospel Topics'' on LDS.org. (2013)</ref> {{read more\|url=http://www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng}}
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	=What are the "curse of Cain" and the "curse of Ham"?=		=What are the "curse of Cain" and the "curse of Ham"?=
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	[[es:Joseph Fielding Smith: "No conocemos ninguna escritura, antigua o moderna, que declare que, en el momento de la rebelión en el cielo, un tercio de las huestes del cielo permanecieron neutrales"]]		[[es:Joseph Fielding Smith: "No conocemos ninguna escritura, antigua o moderna, que declare que, en el momento de la rebelión en el cielo, un tercio de las huestes del cielo permanecieron neutrales"]]
			[[es:Las cuestiones raciales y el Mormonismo/Los negros y el sacerdocio/Ideas repudiadas/Neutral en la "guerra en el cielo"]]
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	[[es:Pregunta: ¿Cuándo la "marca de Caín" se asoció con la piel negra?]]		[[es:Pregunta: ¿Cuándo la "marca de Caín" se asoció con la piel negra?]]
	[[es:Pregunta: ¿Cuándo se asoció una maldición bíblica con los "Camitas"?]]		[[es:Pregunta: ¿Cuándo se asoció una maldición bíblica con los "Camitas"?]]
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	[[pt:Fonte:Tópicos do Evangelho:As Etnias e o Sacerdócio:2013:Hoje, a Igreja nega as teorias do passado para que a pele escura é um sinal de desagrado divino ou maldição]]		[[pt:Fonte:Tópicos do Evangelho:As Etnias e o Sacerdócio:2013:Hoje, a Igreja nega as teorias do passado para que a pele escura é um sinal de desagrado divino ou maldição]]
	[[pt:Fonte:Tópicos do Evangelho:As Etnias e o Sacerdócio:Mesmo depois de 1852, pelo menos dois mórmons negros continuaram a portar o sacerdócio]]		[[pt:Fonte:Tópicos do Evangelho:As Etnias e o Sacerdócio:Mesmo depois de 1852, pelo menos dois mórmons negros continuaram a portar o sacerdócio]]
			[[pt:Mormonismo e Assuntos Raciais/Negros e do sacerdócio/Idéias repudiou/Neutro em "guerra no céu"]]
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	[[pt:Pergunta: "Hamites" Quando uma maldição bíblica tornar-se associado com o?]]		[[pt:Pergunta: "Hamites" Quando uma maldição bíblica tornar-se associado com o?]]
	[[pt:Pergunta: Como é que a "maldição de Cam" ou "maldição de Caim" tornar-se associado com o mormonismo?]]		[[pt:Pergunta: Como é que a "maldição de Cam" ou "maldição de Caim" tornar-se associado com o mormonismo?]]

GregSmith: /* In the 1950s, did Mormons teach that the only way a black man could get into heaven was as a slave? */

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In the 1950s, did Mormons teach that the only way a black man could get into heaven was as a slave?

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	=In the 1950s, did ~~Mormons~~ teach that the only way a black man could get into heaven was as a slave?=		=In the 1950s, did the Church teach that the only way a black man could get into heaven was as a slave?=

	=The claim is likely based on talk presented by Elder Mark E. Petersen at BYU in the early 1950s. At the time, much of American society believed that blacks were socially and culturally inferior=		=The claim is likely based on talk presented by Elder Mark E. Petersen at BYU in the early 1950s. At the time, much of American society believed that blacks were socially and culturally inferior=

GregSmith: /* The Church Handbook of Instructions say nothing concerning interracial marriages */

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The Church Handbook of Instructions say nothing concerning interracial marriages

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	=There have been leaders that have openly opposed miscegenation in any form=		=There have been leaders that have openly opposed miscegenation in any form=
	It is important to note that their have been leaders that have voiced their opinion against interracial marriage.		It is important to note that their have been leaders that have voiced their opinion against interracial marriage.

GregSmith: /* There have been leaders that have openly opposed miscegenation in any form */

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There have been leaders that have openly opposed miscegenation in any form

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GregSmith: /* There have been leaders that have openly opposed miscegenation in any form */

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There have been leaders that have openly opposed miscegenation in any form

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GregSmith: /* There have been leaders that have openly opposed miscegenation in any form */

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There have been leaders that have openly opposed miscegenation in any form

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	It is important to note that their have been leaders that have voiced their opinion against interracial marriage.		It is important to note that their have been leaders that have voiced their opinion against interracial marriage.

	Among leaders that have been opposed to it in any form are [[~~Did~~ Brigham Young ~~say that~~ race ~~mixing was punishable by death?~~\|Brigham Young]], [[Mormonism and racial issues/Mark E. Petersen racial statements\|Mark E. Peterson]], George Q. Cannon,<ref>"[https://www.churchhistorianspress.org/george-q-cannon/1880s/1881/02-1881?lang=eng The Journal of George Q. Cannon: February 1881]," The Church Historian’s Press, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1 February 1881, Tuesday ... [J. Floyd King] asked me our belief respecting intermarriage with inferior races, particularly the negro. I told him our views, with which he was delighted. ... He predicted great things for us in the future; that we believed in procreation and in preserving the purity of the dominant or pure Aryan race. ... He had ... become disgusted with the attitude of the churches upon this important question. He said all the churches taught or consented to miscegenation, and he felt it would be the destruction of every people who practiced it ....</ref>J. Reuben Clark,<ref>See also Matthew L. Harris and Newell G. Bringhurst, ''The Mormon Church and Blacks: A Documentary History'' (Chicago: University of Illinois Press, 2015), 70.</ref> Bruce R. McConkie,<ref>Ibid., 73.</ref> and Delbert Stapley.<ref>Delbert L. Stapley to Governor George Romney, January 23, 1964. https://archive.org/details/DelbertStapleyLetter/page/n1/mode/2up?view=theater. "I fully agree the Negro is entitled to considerations also stated above, but not full social benefits nor inter-marriage privileges with the Whites, nor should the Whites be forced to accept them into restricted White areas."</ref> Prior to 1978, leaders' statements about interracial marriage were generally harsh and reflected a desire for outright prohibition of it spiritually and legally.		Among leaders that have been opposed to it in any form are [[Brigham Young's statements regarding race\|Brigham Young]], [[Mormonism and racial issues/Mark E. Petersen racial statements\|Mark E. Peterson]], George Q. Cannon,<ref>"[https://www.churchhistorianspress.org/george-q-cannon/1880s/1881/02-1881?lang=eng The Journal of George Q. Cannon: February 1881]," The Church Historian’s Press, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1 February 1881, Tuesday ... [J. Floyd King] asked me our belief respecting intermarriage with inferior races, particularly the negro. I told him our views, with which he was delighted. ... He predicted great things for us in the future; that we believed in procreation and in preserving the purity of the dominant or pure Aryan race. ... He had ... become disgusted with the attitude of the churches upon this important question. He said all the churches taught or consented to miscegenation, and he felt it would be the destruction of every people who practiced it ....</ref>J. Reuben Clark,<ref>See also Matthew L. Harris and Newell G. Bringhurst, ''The Mormon Church and Blacks: A Documentary History'' (Chicago: University of Illinois Press, 2015), 70.</ref> Bruce R. McConkie,<ref>Ibid., 73.</ref> and Delbert Stapley.<ref>Delbert L. Stapley to Governor George Romney, January 23, 1964. https://archive.org/details/DelbertStapleyLetter/page/n1/mode/2up?view=theater. "I fully agree the Negro is entitled to considerations also stated above, but not full social benefits nor inter-marriage privileges with the Whites, nor should the Whites be forced to accept them into restricted White areas."</ref> Prior to 1978, leaders' statements about interracial marriage were generally harsh and reflected a desire for outright prohibition of it spiritually and legally.

	Church leaders have generally followed the pattern of soft discouragement like that exhibited in Spencer W. Kimball's 1965 comment following the lifting of the priesthood and temple restrictions in 1978.		Church leaders have generally followed the pattern of soft discouragement like that exhibited in Spencer W. Kimball's 1965 comment following the lifting of the priesthood and temple restrictions in 1978.

GregSmith: /* There have been leaders that have openly opposed miscegenation in any form */

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There have been leaders that have openly opposed miscegenation in any form

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	Church leaders have generally followed the pattern of soft discouragement like that exhibited in Spencer W. Kimball's 1965 comment following the lifting of the priesthood and temple restrictions in 1978.		Church leaders have generally followed the pattern of soft discouragement like that exhibited in Spencer W. Kimball's 1965 comment following the lifting of the priesthood and temple restrictions in 1978.

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	=Do the Book of Abraham and the Book of Mormon link a person's skin color to their behavior in the pre-existence?=		=Do the Book of Abraham and the Book of Mormon link a person's skin color to their behavior in the pre-existence?=

GregSmith: /* Joseph Smith never taught the idea that those born with black skin were "neutral" during the war in heaven */

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Joseph Smith never taught the idea that those born with black skin were "neutral" during the war in heaven

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	The scriptures themselves [[Blacks and the priesthood/LDS scriptures\|do not state]] that anyone was neutral in the pre-existence.		The scriptures themselves [[Blacks and the priesthood/LDS scriptures\|do not state]] that anyone was neutral in the pre-existence.

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	=Did Church leaders ever teach that Blacks were neutral in the "war in heaven?"=		=Did Church leaders ever teach that Blacks were neutral in the "war in heaven?"=