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	The Book of Mormon never says God was once a mortal, and, in fact, it teaches that God was always God. Take for instance Moroni 8:18. It says God is "unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity."		The Book of Mormon never says God was once a mortal, and, in fact, it teaches that God was always God. Take for instance Moroni 8:18. It says God is "unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity."

	Joseph Smith, however, taught, "We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and take away the veil so that you may see."{{~~ref~~\|~~tpjs1~~}}		Joseph Smith, however, taught, "We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and take away the veil so that you may see."<ref>{{TPJS1\|start=345}}</ref>

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	~~In context, no scripture tells us of~~ God's physical ~~change, but actually tells us that one~~ can be ~~eternal, unchanging,~~ the same yesterday, today and forever, and ~~still go~~ through ~~physical changes~~. ~~Joseph however~~ was ~~contending against this false interpretation of scripture~~ and ~~was teaching~~ the ~~saints appropriately. In his lecture~~, ~~he was talking about God passing through physical changes~~, ~~even as Christ did~~, and ~~as we~~ must.		The term "unchangeable God" is not referencing a physical state. This can be shown from similar terms from the Bible about Jesus. Jesus is referred to as "the same yesterday, today, and forever" ({{b\|\|Hebrews\|13\|8}}). Yet we learn from the scriptures that Jesus “increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man”({{b\|\|Luke\|2\|52}}) here is certainly a change in condition; here is succession of time with God, a before and after; here is being and becoming; for whereas, He was a spirit, He became man; and in becoming man, He passed through all the phases in life from infancy to manhood. It is significant also that it was not until Jesus had arisen from the tomb and stood in the presence of His disciples, glorified personage, body and spirit united, that He exclaimed, “all power is given unto Me in heaven and earth.” ({{b\|\|Matthew\|28\|18}}) If “given”, there must have been a time when He did not possess all power in heaven and in earth; and hence, a change from possessing some power to the condition of possessing “all power”. So this term is not meant to mean His physical condition.

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	~~The term "unchangeable~~ God~~" is not referencing a~~ physical ~~state. This~~ can be ~~shown from similar terms from the Bible about Jesus. Jesus is referred to as "~~the same yesterday, today, and forever~~" ({{b\|\|Hebrews\|13\|8}}). Yet we learn from the scriptures that Jesus “increased in wisdom and stature~~, and ~~in favor with God and man”({{b\|\|Luke\|2\|52}}) here is certainly a change in condition; here is succession~~ of ~~time with God, a before and after; here is being~~ and ~~becoming; for whereas, He~~ was ~~a spirit, He became man; and in becoming man, He passed through all~~ the ~~phases in life from infancy to manhood~~. ~~It is significant also that it~~ was ~~not until Jesus had arisen from the tomb and stood in the presence of His disciples~~, ~~glorified personage~~, ~~body~~ and ~~spirit united, that He exclaimed, “all power is given unto Me in heaven and earth.” ({{b\|\|Matthew\|28\|18}}) If “given”, there~~ must have been a time when He did not possess all power in heaven and in earth; and hence, a change from possessing some power to the condition of possessing “all power”. So this term is not meant to mean His physical condition.		In context, no scripture tells us of God's physical change, but actually tells us that one can be eternal, unchanging, the same yesterday, today and forever, and still go through physical changes. Joseph however was contending against this false interpretation of scripture and was teaching the saints appropriately. In his lecture, he was talking about God passing through physical changes, even as Christ did, and as we must.

	Here is a brief synopsis of scriptures that speak about this term, and possible meanings:		Here is a brief synopsis of scriptures that speak about this term, and possible meanings:

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	In context, no scripture tells us of God's physical change, but actually tells us that one can be eternal, unchanging, the same yesterday, today and forever, and still go through physical changes. Joseph however was contending against this false interpretation of scripture and was teaching the saints appropriately. In his lecture, he was talking about God passing through physical changes, even as Christ did, and as we must.		In context, no scripture tells us of God's physical change, but actually tells us that one can be eternal, unchanging, the same yesterday, today and forever, and still go through physical changes. Joseph however was contending against this false interpretation of scripture and was teaching the saints appropriately. In his lecture, he was talking about God passing through physical changes, even as Christ did, and as we must.

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	Joseph Smith, however, taught, "We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and take away the veil so that you may see."{{ref\|tpjs1}}		Joseph Smith, however, taught, "We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and take away the veil so that you may see."{{ref\|tpjs1}}

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	Critics point out that the Book of Mormon never says God was once a mortal. In fact, it teaches that God was always God. Take for instance Moroni 8:18. It says God is "unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity."		Critics point out that the Book of Mormon never says God was once a mortal. In fact, it teaches that God was always God. Take for instance Moroni 8:18. It says God is "unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity."

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	In context, no scripture tells us of God's physical change, but actually tells us that one can be eternal, unchanging, the same yesterday, today and forever, and still go through physical changes. Joseph however was contending against this false interpretation of scripture and was teaching the saints appropriately. In his lecture, he was talking about God passing through physical changes, even as Christ did, and as we must.		In context, no scripture tells us of God's physical change, but actually tells us that one can be eternal, unchanging, the same yesterday, today and forever, and still go through physical changes. Joseph however was contending against this false interpretation of scripture and was teaching the saints appropriately. In his lecture, he was talking about God passing through physical changes, even as Christ did, and as we must.

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