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	Can you tell me something about the location of the lost ten tribes of Israel? I heard they might be under the polar ice cap.		Can you tell me something about the location of the lost ten tribes of Israel? I heard they might be under the polar ice cap.
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	:Spiritual security will always depend upon ''how'' one lives, not ''where'' one lives. Saints in every land have equal claim upon the blessings of the Lord.<ref>{{Ensign1\|author=Russell M. Nelson\|article=[https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2006/10/the-gathering-of-scattered-israel?lang=eng The Gathering of Scattered Israel]\|date=November 2006\|start=79–82}} (internal footnotes removed; italics in original)</ref>		:Spiritual security will always depend upon ''how'' one lives, not ''where'' one lives. Saints in every land have equal claim upon the blessings of the Lord.<ref>{{Ensign1\|author=Russell M. Nelson\|article=[https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2006/10/the-gathering-of-scattered-israel?lang=eng The Gathering of Scattered Israel]\|date=November 2006\|start=79–82}} (internal footnotes removed; italics in original)</ref>
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	Those who ask this question have often encountered a remark attributed to Joseph Smith. The original source for the claim seems to be in the autobiography of Benjamin F. Johnson, an early Church member who knew Joseph Smith:		Those who ask this question have often encountered a remark attributed to Joseph Smith. The original source for the claim seems to be in the autobiography of Benjamin F. Johnson, an early Church member who knew Joseph Smith:

	:I can now see, as President George A. Smith afterwards said, that I was then really "the bosom friend and companion of the Prophet Joseph." I was as welcome at the Mansion as at my own house, and on one occasion when at a full table of his family and chosen friends, he placed me at his right hand and introduced me as his "friend, Brother B. F. Johnson, at whose house he sat at a better table than his own." Sometimes when at my house I asked him questions relating to past, present and future; some of his answers were taken by Brother William Clayton, who was then present with him, and are now recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants; the one as to what the Lord told him in relation to seeing his face at 85 years of age; also the one as to the earth becoming as a sea of glass, molten with fire. [D&C 130: 9, 14-17] Other questions were asked when Brother Clayton was not present, one of which I will relate: I asked where the nine and a half tribes of Israel were. "Well," said he, "you remember the old caldron or potash kettle you used to boil maple sap in for sugar, don't you?" I said yes. "Well," said he, "they are in the north pole in a concave just the shape of that kettle. And John the Revelator is with them, preparing them for their return." Many other things of a public or private nature I might here record, but will only note one or two, those pertaining to our own family.{{~~ref~~\|~~johnson.1~~}}		:I can now see, as President George A. Smith afterwards said, that I was then really "the bosom friend and companion of the Prophet Joseph." I was as welcome at the Mansion as at my own house, and on one occasion when at a full table of his family and chosen friends, he placed me at his right hand and introduced me as his "friend, Brother B. F. Johnson, at whose house he sat at a better table than his own." Sometimes when at my house I asked him questions relating to past, present and future; some of his answers were taken by Brother William Clayton, who was then present with him, and are now recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants; the one as to what the Lord told him in relation to seeing his face at 85 years of age; also the one as to the earth becoming as a sea of glass, molten with fire. [D&C 130: 9, 14-17] Other questions were asked when Brother Clayton was not present, one of which I will relate: I asked where the nine and a half tribes of Israel were. "Well," said he, "you remember the old caldron or potash kettle you used to boil maple sap in for sugar, don't you?" I said yes. "Well," said he, "they are in the north pole in a concave just the shape of that kettle. And John the Revelator is with them, preparing them for their return." Many other things of a public or private nature I might here record, but will only note one or two, those pertaining to our own family.<ref>{{Book:Johnson:My_Life's_Review\|pages=109}}</ref>

	The problem with this source is that it is late and second hand; that is, it was not written by Joseph himself, but by someone who heard him say it, and it was written long after the conversation supposedly took place. Sources like these tend to be less than reliable because they are obscured by time and the writer's own personal bias.		The problem with this source is that it is late and second hand; that is, it was not written by Joseph himself, but by someone who heard him say it, and it was written long after the conversation supposedly took place. Sources like these tend to be less than reliable because they are obscured by time and the writer's own personal bias.
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	Other Church leaders have not seen this second-hand remark as revelatory. Mark E. Peterson wrote:		Other Church leaders have not seen this second-hand remark as revelatory. Mark E. Peterson wrote:

	:...the Ten Tribes are lost. We do not have any indication in the revelations as to their whereabouts.{{ref~~\|peterson~~.~~1}}~~		:...the Ten Tribes are lost. We do not have any indication in the revelations as to their whereabouts.<ref>Mark E. Peterson, ''Joseph of Egypt'' (Salt Lake City, Utah: Deseret Book Co., 1981), 84.</ref>

	Joseph Fielding Smith wrote:		Joseph Fielding Smith wrote:

	:The promise is made that they shall return, but to this day they are lost to the world. As they journeyed to the north many of their number straggled and fell behind and mingled with the peoples in the lands through which they passed, but the main body continued on their journey and were hidden by the hand of the Lord.{{ref~~\|jfs~~.~~1}}~~		:The promise is made that they shall return, but to this day they are lost to the world. As they journeyed to the north many of their number straggled and fell behind and mingled with the peoples in the lands through which they passed, but the main body continued on their journey and were hidden by the hand of the Lord.<ref>Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Restoration of All Things'' (Salt Lake City, Utah: Deseret Book Co., 1945), 131–132.</ref>

	Bruce R. McConkie wrote:		Bruce R. McConkie wrote:

	:The Lost Tribes are not lost unto the Lord. In their northward journeyings they were led by prophets and inspired leaders. They had their Moses and their Lehi, were guided by the spirit of revelation, kept the law of Moses, and carried with them the statutes and judgments which the Lord had given them in age past. They were still a distinct people many hundreds of years later, for the resurrected Lord visited and ministered among them following his ministry on this continent among the Nephites. ({{s\|3\|Nephi\|16\|1-4}}; {{s\|3\|Nephi\|17\|4}}.) Obviously he taught them in the same way and gave them the same truths which he gave his followers in Jerusalem and on the American continent; and obviously they recorded his teachings, thus creating volumes of scripture comparable to the Bible and Book of Mormon. ({{s\|2\|Nephi\|29\|12-14}}.){{~~ref~~\|~~md.1~~}}		:The Lost Tribes are not lost unto the Lord. In their northward journeyings they were led by prophets and inspired leaders. They had their Moses and their Lehi, were guided by the spirit of revelation, kept the law of Moses, and carried with them the statutes and judgments which the Lord had given them in age past. They were still a distinct people many hundreds of years later, for the resurrected Lord visited and ministered among them following his ministry on this continent among the Nephites. ({{s\|3\|Nephi\|16\|1-4}}; {{s\|3\|Nephi\|17\|4}}.) Obviously he taught them in the same way and gave them the same truths which he gave his followers in Jerusalem and on the American continent; and obviously they recorded his teachings, thus creating volumes of scripture comparable to the Bible and Book of Mormon. ({{s\|2\|Nephi\|29\|12-14}}.)<ref>{{MD1\|start=457}}</ref>

	While some have seen the ten tribes together in a discrete location, Elder McConkie wrote later in life:		While some have seen the ten tribes together in a discrete location, Elder McConkie wrote later in life:

	:There is something mysterious and fascinating about believing the Ten Tribes are behind an iceberg somewhere in the land of the north, or that they are on some distant planet that will one day join itself with the earth, or that the tribe of Dan is in Denmark, the tribe of Reuben in Russia, and so forth. A common cliché asserts: "If we knew where the Lost Tribes were, they would not be lost." True it is that they are lost from the knowledge of the world; they are not seen and recognized as the kingdom they once were; but in general terms, their whereabouts is known. They are ''scattered in all the nations of the earth'', primarily in the nations north of the lands of their first inheritance {{ia}}.{{~~ref~~\|~~mconckie.1~~}}		:There is something mysterious and fascinating about believing the Ten Tribes are behind an iceberg somewhere in the land of the north, or that they are on some distant planet that will one day join itself with the earth, or that the tribe of Dan is in Denmark, the tribe of Reuben in Russia, and so forth. A common cliché asserts: "If we knew where the Lost Tribes were, they would not be lost." True it is that they are lost from the knowledge of the world; they are not seen and recognized as the kingdom they once were; but in general terms, their whereabouts is known. They are ''scattered in all the nations of the earth'', primarily in the nations north of the lands of their first inheritance {{ia}}.<ref>{{NewWitnessAoF1\|start=520}}</ref>

	Russell M. Nelson taught:		Russell M. Nelson taught:
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	:The choice to come unto Christ is not a matter of physical location; it is a matter of individual commitment. People can be “brought to the knowledge of the Lord” without leaving their homelands. True, in the early days of the Church, conversion often meant emigration as well. But now the gathering takes place in each nation. The Lord has decreed the establishment of Zion in each realm where He has given His Saints their birth and nationality. Scripture foretells that the people “shall be gathered home to the lands of their inheritance, and shall be established in all their lands of promise.” “Every nation is the gathering place for its own people.” The place of gathering for Brazilian Saints is in Brazil; the place of gathering for Nigerian Saints is in Nigeria; the place of gathering for Korean Saints is in Korea; and so forth. Zion is “the pure in heart.” Zion is wherever righteous Saints are. Publications, communications, and congregations are now such that nearly all members have access to the doctrines, keys, ordinances, and blessings of the gospel, regardless of their location.		:The choice to come unto Christ is not a matter of physical location; it is a matter of individual commitment. People can be “brought to the knowledge of the Lord” without leaving their homelands. True, in the early days of the Church, conversion often meant emigration as well. But now the gathering takes place in each nation. The Lord has decreed the establishment of Zion in each realm where He has given His Saints their birth and nationality. Scripture foretells that the people “shall be gathered home to the lands of their inheritance, and shall be established in all their lands of promise.” “Every nation is the gathering place for its own people.” The place of gathering for Brazilian Saints is in Brazil; the place of gathering for Nigerian Saints is in Nigeria; the place of gathering for Korean Saints is in Korea; and so forth. Zion is “the pure in heart.” Zion is wherever righteous Saints are. Publications, communications, and congregations are now such that nearly all members have access to the doctrines, keys, ordinances, and blessings of the gospel, regardless of their location.

	:Spiritual security will always depend upon ''how'' one lives, not ''where'' one lives. Saints in every land have equal claim upon the blessings of the Lord.{{~~ref~~\|~~nelson~~.1}}		:Spiritual security will always depend upon ''how'' one lives, not ''where'' one lives. Saints in every land have equal claim upon the blessings of the Lord.<ref>{{Ensign1\|author=Russell M. Nelson\|article=[https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2006/10/the-gathering-of-scattered-israel?lang=eng The Gathering of Scattered Israel]\|date=November 2006\|start=79–82}} (internal footnotes removed; italics in original)</ref>
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	~~#{{note\|jfs.1}} Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Restoration of All Things'' (Salt Lake City, Utah: Deseret Book Co., 1945), 131–132.~~
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	The consensus of Church teachings seems to be that the ten tribes are scattered among all peoples. Missionary work is the means by which the ten tribes are "found," and they are gathered to Israel by joining the Church. Despite a late, second-hand discussion of remarks by Joseph Smith, this view has never been common, or endorsed by current Church leaders.		The consensus of Church teachings seems to be that the ten tribes are scattered among all peoples. Missionary work is the means by which the ten tribes are "found," and they are gathered to Israel by joining the Church. Despite a late, second-hand discussion of remarks by Joseph Smith, this view has never been common, or endorsed by current Church leaders.

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			The consensus of Church teachings seems to be that the ten tribes are scattered among all peoples. Missionary work is the means by which the ten tribes are "found," and they are gathered to Israel by joining the Church. Despite a late, second-hand discussion of remarks by Joseph Smith, this view has never been common, or endorsed by current Church leaders.

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	Those who ask this question have often encountered a remark attributed to Joseph Smith. The original source for the claim seems to be in the autobiography of Benjamin F. Johnson, an early Church member who knew Joseph Smith:		Those who ask this question have often encountered a remark attributed to Joseph Smith. The original source for the claim seems to be in the autobiography of Benjamin F. Johnson, an early Church member who knew Joseph Smith:
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	The consensus of Church teachings seems to be that the ten tribes are scattered among all peoples. Missionary work is the means by which the ten tribes are "found," and they are gathered to Israel by joining the Church. Despite a late, second-hand discussion of remarks by Joseph Smith, this view has never been common, or endorsed by current Church leaders.

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