Fabricated quotes from Brigham Young - Revision history

GregSmith: /* A blogger fakes a quote from Brigham Young */bot use legacy Detail template

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A blogger fakes a quote from Brigham Young: bot use legacy Detail template

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	*Brigham talks of carrying on the work of God, not the work of Joseph Smith.		*Brigham talks of carrying on the work of God, not the work of Joseph Smith.
	*This is an attempt by the author of the quote to imply that Joseph Smith is more important to Latter-day Saints than God.		*This is an attempt by the author of the quote to imply that Joseph Smith is more important to Latter-day Saints than God.
	*{{~~Detail~~\|Joseph Smith/Status in LDS belief}}		*{{Detail_old\|Joseph Smith/Status in LDS belief}}
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	*Brigham Young would not have drawn attention to the failure to establish Zion in Jackson County in this way. There is actually a very extensive body of discussion of this in the [[Journal of Discourses]].		*Brigham Young would not have drawn attention to the failure to establish Zion in Jackson County in this way. There is actually a very extensive body of discussion of this in the [[Journal of Discourses]].
	*Brigham never refers to the "barren Salt Lake Valley."		*Brigham never refers to the "barren Salt Lake Valley."
	*{{~~Detail~~\|Joseph Smith/Prophecies/Independence temple to be built "in this generation"}}		*{{Detail_old\|Joseph Smith/Prophecies/Independence temple to be built "in this generation"}}
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	*While there are statements to the effect that plural marriage is a requirement for exaltation for those commanded to live it, Brigham Young would not have stated that priesthood-sealed "monogamous marriage is not the order of heaven."		*While there are statements to the effect that plural marriage is a requirement for exaltation for those commanded to live it, Brigham Young would not have stated that priesthood-sealed "monogamous marriage is not the order of heaven."
	*The author seeks to drive a wedge between pre and post-Manifesto Latter-day Saints, but he needs to completely manufacture quotes from Brigham Young in order to do it.		*The author seeks to drive a wedge between pre and post-Manifesto Latter-day Saints, but he needs to completely manufacture quotes from Brigham Young in order to do it.
	*{{~~Detail~~\|Polygamy/The only men who become gods are those that practice polygamy}}		*{{Detail_old\|Polygamy/The only men who become gods are those that practice polygamy}}
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	** Orson Pratt: "If we do not transgress the law, then let us be free, like any other American citizens, and let us worship God according to the dictates of our own conscience."<ref>{{JDfairwiki\|vol=7\|disc=34\|start=225}}</ref>		** Orson Pratt: "If we do not transgress the law, then let us be free, like any other American citizens, and let us worship God according to the dictates of our own conscience."<ref>{{JDfairwiki\|vol=7\|disc=34\|start=225}}</ref>
	**George Q. Cannon: "[T]o take our flight as best we could in our poverty to some remote land where we could worship God according to the dictates of our own conscience in peace and in quietness."<ref>{{JDfairwiki\|vol=26\|disc=30\|start=285}}</ref>		**George Q. Cannon: "[T]o take our flight as best we could in our poverty to some remote land where we could worship God according to the dictates of our own conscience in peace and in quietness."<ref>{{JDfairwiki\|vol=26\|disc=30\|start=285}}</ref>
	*{{~~Detail~~\|Joseph Smith/Prophecies/Government to be overthrown and wasted}}		*{{Detail_old\|Joseph Smith/Prophecies/Government to be overthrown and wasted}}
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	*The phrase "mere man" does not appear in the 26 volumes of the [[Journal of Discourses]]		*The phrase "mere man" does not appear in the 26 volumes of the [[Journal of Discourses]]
	*The phrase "mere man" appears only once in the {{MAfairwiki\|vol=2\|num=5\|start=270}}, but it is not used by Brigham Young.		*The phrase "mere man" appears only once in the {{MAfairwiki\|vol=2\|num=5\|start=270}}, but it is not used by Brigham Young.
	*{{~~Detail~~\|Mormonism and politics/California Proposition 8}}		*{{Detail_old\|Mormonism and politics/California Proposition 8}}
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	*Brigham never said any of this. The author of the fabricated quote simply wishes to imply that the Church should never change its doctrine or policies.		*Brigham never said any of this. The author of the fabricated quote simply wishes to imply that the Church should never change its doctrine or policies.
	*The specific listing of changes in the temple ceremony, polygamy, and the priesthood ban show what the author thinks are the "money" issues that can demonstrate false or fallen prophethood. Brigham was actually very detailed about the parameters of change and knowing we are truly led by God-inspired leaders, despite changes and tough issues.		*The specific listing of changes in the temple ceremony, polygamy, and the priesthood ban show what the author thinks are the "money" issues that can demonstrate false or fallen prophethood. Brigham was actually very detailed about the parameters of change and knowing we are truly led by God-inspired leaders, despite changes and tough issues.
	*{{~~Detail~~\|Church doctrine/Changing}}		*{{Detail_old\|Church doctrine/Changing}}
	*{{~~Detail~~\|Temples/Endowment/Changes}}		*{{Detail_old\|Temples/Endowment/Changes}}
	*{{~~Detail~~\|Mormonism and racial issues/Blacks and the priesthood}}		*{{Detail_old\|Mormonism and racial issues/Blacks and the priesthood}}
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GregSmith at 18:43, 21 May 2024

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GregSmith at 06:42, 21 May 2024

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GregSmith at 06:17, 21 May 2024

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GregSmith: /* The fake quote is a conflation of things that Brigham discussed, with a negative spin */

2024-05-21T05:02:24Z

The fake quote is a conflation of things that Brigham discussed, with a negative spin

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	==The fake quote is a conflation of things that Brigham discussed, with a negative spin==		==The "I am a prophet of God" fake quote is a conflation of things that Brigham discussed, with a negative spin==

	We examine here the individual elements of the fabricated quote and provide responses to it.		We examine here the individual elements of the fabricated quote and provide responses to it.

GregSmith: /* Did Brigham Young state "If there ever comes a day when the Saints interfere with the rights of others to live as they see fit, you can know with assurance that the Church is no longer led by a Prophet, but a mere man"? */

2024-05-21T05:00:40Z

Did Brigham Young state "If there ever comes a day when the Saints interfere with the rights of others to live as they see fit, you can know with assurance that the Church is no longer led by a Prophet, but a mere man"?

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	=Did Brigham Young state "~~If there ever comes a day when the Saints interfere with the rights of others to live as they see fit, you can know with assurance~~ that ~~the Church~~ is ~~no longer led by a Prophet, but a mere man~~"?=		=Did Brigham Young state "I have never given counsel that is wrong"?=
	==A blogger fakes a quote from Brigham Young==		==A blogger fakes a quote from Brigham Young==

GregSmith at 04:56, 21 May 2024

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 "The time is coming when justice will be laid to the line and righteousness to the plummet; when we shall take the old broad sword and ask, "Are you for God?" and if you are not heartily on the Lord's side, you will be hewn down." ({{JDfairwiki|vol=3|disc=30|start=226}})
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 [[es:Pregunta: ¿Brigham Young declaró? "Si alguna vez llega un día en que los santos interfieren con los derechos de los demás a vivir como les parezca, puede saber con seguridad que la Iglesia ya no está dirigida por un Profeta, sino un simple hombre" ?]]
 [[es:Pregunta: ¿Brigham Young dijo "Yo soy la voz de Dios y cualquiera que no le guste será derribado"?]]

GregSmith at 04:55, 21 May 2024

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	~~FairMormon~~ has been unable to find a legitimate source for this purported quotation from Brigham Young. The words are spoken by an actor portraying Brigham Young in the movie September Dawn, an account of the Mountain Meadows massacre. This exact statement has not been attributed to a known source, and may be a paraphrase of a statement made by Young on March 2, 1856:		FAIR has been unable to find a legitimate source for this purported quotation from Brigham Young. The words are spoken by an actor portraying Brigham Young in the movie September Dawn, an account of the Mountain Meadows massacre. This exact statement has not been attributed to a known source, and may be a paraphrase of a statement made by Young on March 2, 1856:
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	"The time is coming when justice will be laid to the line and righteousness to the plummet; when we shall take the old broad sword and ask, "Are you for God?" and if you are not heartily on the Lord's side, you will be hewn down." ({{JDfairwiki\|vol=3\|disc=30\|start=226}})		"The time is coming when justice will be laid to the line and righteousness to the plummet; when we shall take the old broad sword and ask, "Are you for God?" and if you are not heartily on the Lord's side, you will be hewn down." ({{JDfairwiki\|vol=3\|disc=30\|start=226}})
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	=Did Brigham Young say "I am the voice of God and anyone who doesn't like it will be hewn down"?=		=Did Brigham Young say "I am the voice of God and anyone who doesn't like it will be hewn down"?=
	==~~FairMormon~~ has been unable to find a legitimate source for this purported quotation from Brigham Young==		==FAIR has been unable to find a legitimate source for this purported quotation from Brigham Young==

	The movie [[Specific works/September Dawn\|September Dawn]] claims that Brigham Young made the following statement:		The movie [[Specific works/September Dawn\|September Dawn]] claims that Brigham Young made the following statement:
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	~~FairMormon~~ has been unable to find a legitimate source for this purported quotation from Brigham Young. The words are spoken by an actor portraying Brigham Young in the movie September Dawn, an account of the Mountain Meadows massacre. This exact statement has not been attributed to a known source, and may be a paraphrase of a statement made by Young on March 2, 1856:		FAIR has been unable to find a legitimate source for this purported quotation from Brigham Young. The words are spoken by an actor portraying Brigham Young in the movie September Dawn, an account of the Mountain Meadows massacre. This exact statement has not been attributed to a known source, and may be a paraphrase of a statement made by Young on March 2, 1856:
	<blockquote>		<blockquote>
	"The time is coming when justice will be laid to the line and righteousness to the plummet; when we shall take the old broad sword and ask, "Are you for God?" and if you are not heartily on the Lord's side, you will be hewn down." ({{JDfairwiki\|vol=3\|disc=30\|start=226}})		"The time is coming when justice will be laid to the line and righteousness to the plummet; when we shall take the old broad sword and ask, "Are you for God?" and if you are not heartily on the Lord's side, you will be hewn down." ({{JDfairwiki\|vol=3\|disc=30\|start=226}})

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GregSmith at 04:39, 21 May 2024

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	=Did Brigham Young say "I am the voice of God and anyone who doesn't like it will be hewn down"?=		=Did Brigham Young say "I am the voice of God and anyone who doesn't like it will be hewn down"?=
	==~~FairMormon~~ has been unable to find a legitimate source for this purported quotation from Brigham Young==		==FAIR has been unable to find a legitimate source for this purported quotation from Brigham Young==

	The movie [[Specific works/September Dawn\|September Dawn]] claims that Brigham Young made the following statement:		The movie [[Specific works/September Dawn\|September Dawn]] claims that Brigham Young made the following statement: