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	\|L26=Response to claim: "The Shakers and Ann Lee"		\|L26=Response to claim: "The Shakers and Ann Lee"
	\|D26=CES Letter: My Search for Answers to My Mormon Doubts, October 2017		\|D26=CES Letter: My Search for Answers to My Mormon Doubts, October 2017
	\|L27=Response to claim: "~~in light~~ of ~~their superstitions and reputations~~"		\|L27=Response to claim: "The mistake that is made by 21st century Mormons is that they’re seeing the Book of Mormon Witnesses as empirical, rational, nineteenth-century men"
	\|D27=Letter to a CES Director: Why I Lost My Testimony, April 2013		\|D27=Letter to a CES Director: Why I Lost My Testimony, April 2013
	\|L28=Response to claim: "~~The mistake that is made by 21st century Mormons is that they’re seeing~~ the Book of Mormon ~~Witnesses as empirical, rational, nineteenth-century men~~"		\|L28=Response to claim: "It doesn’t matter because of this one simple fact: Joseph did not use the gold plates for translating the Book of Mormon"
	\|D28=Letter to a CES Director: Why I Lost My Testimony, April 2013		\|D28=Letter to a CES Director: Why I Lost My Testimony, April 2013
	\|L29~~=Response to claim: "It doesn’t matter because of this one simple fact: Joseph did not use the gold plates for translating the Book of Mormon"~~		\|L29=Response to claim: "Oliver Cowdery’s failure to expose the Priesthood restoration fraud during his excommunication proceedings and after his excommunication from the Church"
	~~\|D29=Letter to a CES Director: Why I Lost My Testimony, April 2013~~		\|D29=Debunking FAIR's Debunking, July 2014
	~~\|L30~~=Response to claim: "Oliver Cowdery’s failure to expose the Priesthood restoration fraud during his excommunication proceedings and after his excommunication from the Church"		\|L30=Citation abuse in the original Letter to a CES Director: Anthony Metcalf's Ten Years Before the Mast
	\|~~D30~~=Debunking FAIR's Debunking, July 2014		\|D30=Letter to a CES Director: Why I Lost My Testimony, April 2013
	\|~~L31~~=Citation abuse in the original Letter to a CES Director: Anthony Metcalf's Ten Years Before the Mast		\|L31=Citation abuse in the original Letter to a CES Director: Stephen Burnett to Br. Johnson
	\|D31=Letter to a CES Director: Why I Lost My Testimony, April 2013		\|D31=Letter to a CES Director: Why I Lost My Testimony, April 2013
	\|L32=Citation abuse in the original Letter to a CES Director: ~~Stephen Burnett to Br. Johnson~~		\|L32=Citation abuse in the original Letter to a CES Director: John Whitmer states that he saw the plates by a supernatural power
	\|D32=Letter to a CES Director: Why I Lost My Testimony, April 2013		\|D32=Letter to a CES Director: Why I Lost My Testimony, April 2013
	\|L33~~=Citation abuse in the original Letter to a CES Director: John Whitmer states that he saw the plates by a supernatural power~~		\|L33= Brian Hales: CES Letter 50 to 65 Three Witnesses Including a Rebuttal of Dan Vogel's Claims.
	~~\|D33=Letter to a CES Director: Why I Lost My Testimony, April 2013~~		\|D33=Letter to a CES Director, March 2015
	~~\|L34~~= Brian Hales: CES Letter 50 to 65 Three Witnesses Including a Rebuttal of Dan Vogel's Claims.		\|L34=Brian Hales: CES Letter 50 to 65 Witnesses Continued
	\|~~L35~~=Brian Hales: CES Letter 50 to 65 Witnesses Continued		\|D34=Letter to a CES Director, March 2015
	\|~~L36~~=LDS Truth Claims: The Witnesses		\|L35=LDS Truth Claims: The Witnesses
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	==Response to claim: "he was known by many of his peers as an unstable, gullible, and superstitious man"==		==Response to claim: "he was known by many of his peers as an unstable, gullible, and superstitious man==
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SpencerMarsh: /* Brian Hales: CES Letter 50 to 65 Witnesses Continued */

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	===Brian Hales: CES Letter 50 to 65 Witnesses Continued===		==Brian Hales: CES Letter 50 to 65 Witnesses Continued==
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	===Brian Hales: CES Letter 50 to 65 Three Witnesses Including a Rebuttal of Dan Vogel's Claims.===		==Brian Hales: CES Letter 50 to 65 Three Witnesses Including a Rebuttal of Dan Vogel's Claims.==
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	===Brian Hales: CES Letter 50 to 65 Witnesses Continued===		===Brian Hales: CES Letter 50 to 65 Witnesses Continued===
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SpencerMarsh: /* Response to claim: "Oliver Cowdery’s failure to expose the Priesthood restoration fraud during his excommunication proceedings and after his excommunication from the Church" */

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Response to claim: "Oliver Cowdery’s failure to expose the Priesthood restoration fraud during his excommunication proceedings and after his excommunication from the Church"

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	The logic presented by the author is absurd and is an exercise in "mental gymnastics." He has to come up with ''some'' reason...''any'' reason...to explain why Oliver was both dishonest and yet never denied his witness. The one possibility that the author ''never'' grants is that Oliver was actually telling the truth about the priesthood restoration.		The logic presented by the author is absurd and is an exercise in "mental gymnastics." He has to come up with ''some'' reason...''any'' reason...to explain why Oliver was both dishonest and yet never denied his witness. The one possibility that the author ''never'' grants is that Oliver was actually telling the truth about the priesthood restoration.
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	==LDS Truth Claims: The Witnesses==		==LDS Truth Claims: The Witnesses==
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SpencerMarsh: /* Response to claim: "It doesn’t matter because of this one simple fact: Joseph did not use the gold plates for translating the Book of Mormon" */

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Response to claim: "It doesn’t matter because of this one simple fact: Joseph did not use the gold plates for translating the Book of Mormon"

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	*[[Question: Why were the gold plates needed at all if they weren't used directly during the translation process?]]		*[[Question: Why were the gold plates needed at all if they weren't used directly during the translation process?]]
	*[[Question: How do Church members assume that Joseph would have "used the plates" during translation?]]		*[[Question: How do Church members assume that Joseph would have "used the plates" during translation?]]

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	==Response to claim: "Oliver Cowdery’s failure to expose the Priesthood restoration fraud during his excommunication proceedings and after his excommunication from the Church"==		==Response to claim: "Oliver Cowdery’s failure to expose the Priesthood restoration fraud during his excommunication proceedings and after his excommunication from the Church"==

SpencerMarsh: /* Response to claim: "The mistake that is made by 21st century Mormons is that they’re seeing the Book of Mormon Witnesses as empirical, rational, nineteenth-century men" */

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Response to claim: "The mistake that is made by 21st century Mormons is that they’re seeing the Book of Mormon Witnesses as empirical, rational, nineteenth-century men"

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	*[[Question: Is a man unreliable because he lived in the 19th-Century?]]		*[[Question: Is a man unreliable because he lived in the 19th-Century?]]
	*[[Peterson (2014): "It’s rather like someone to ascribe early Christian belief to the resurrection of Jesus to the supposed fact that ancient people, unlike us, hadn’t yet realized that dead people tend to stay dead"]]		*[[Peterson (2014): "It’s rather like someone to ascribe early Christian belief to the resurrection of Jesus to the supposed fact that ancient people, unlike us, hadn’t yet realized that dead people tend to stay dead"]]

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	==Response to claim: "It doesn’t matter because of this one simple fact: Joseph did not use the gold plates for translating the Book of Mormon"==		==Response to claim: "It doesn’t matter because of this one simple fact: Joseph did not use the gold plates for translating the Book of Mormon"==