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	==Response to claim: "Apparently Joseph forgot that he claimed Adam saw God face to face (God of the OT being Jesus). It’s also implied that Seth, Cain, and Enoch did as well. All of this contradicts the claim that the Brother of Jared is the first person to see the spirit body of Christ.'"==		==Response to claim: "Apparently Joseph forgot that he claimed Adam saw God face to face (God of the OT being Jesus). It’s also implied that Seth, Cain, and Enoch did as well. All of this contradicts the claim that the Brother of Jared is the first person to see the spirit body of Christ."==
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	==Response to claim: "To cling to faith in these areas, where the overwhelming evidence is against it, is willful ignorance, not spiritual dedication"==		==Response to claim: "To cling to faith in these areas, where the overwhelming evidence is against it, is willful ignorance, not spiritual dedication"==
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	*The author states earlier in his Letter, "it would likewise be arrogant of a Latter-day Saint to deny their spiritual experiences and testimonies of the truthfulness of their own religion."		*The author states earlier in his Letter, "it would likewise be arrogant of a Latter-day Saint to deny their spiritual experiences and testimonies of the truthfulness of their own religion."
	*However, with regard to Latter-day Saints who believe in their ''own'' spiritual experiences, the author arrogantly states that they are "clinging to faith" because of "willful ignorance" rather than spiritual dedication}}		*However, with regard to Latter-day Saints who believe in their ''own'' spiritual experiences, the author arrogantly states that they are "clinging to faith" because of "willful ignorance" rather than spiritual dedication}}


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	==Response to claim: "no death of any kind (humans, all animals, birds, fish, dinosaurs, etc.) on this earth until the 'Fall of Adam'"==		==Response to claim: "no death of any kind (humans, all animals, birds, fish, dinosaurs, etc.) on this earth until the 'Fall of Adam'"==
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	*[[Question: What changes have been made to the ''Gospel Principles'' manual?]]		*[[Question: What changes have been made to the ''Gospel Principles'' manual?]]
	*[[Question: Is the concept of no death before the fall on the ''entire earth'' Church doctrine?]]		*[[Question: Is the concept of no death before the fall on the ''entire earth'' Church doctrine?]]
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	==Response to claim: "If Adam and Eve are the first humans, how do we explain the 14 other Hominin species who lived and died 35,000 – 250,000 years before Adam?"==		==Response to claim: "If Adam and Eve are the first humans, how do we explain the 14 other Hominin species who lived and died 35,000 – 250,000 years before Adam?"==
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	*[[Question: Can Latter-day Saints have a non-literal view of the creation story, or have a somewhat more mythic view of the first five books of Moses given the Church's teaching of a historical Adam?]]		*[[Question: Can Latter-day Saints have a non-literal view of the creation story, or have a somewhat more mythic view of the first five books of Moses given the Church's teaching of a historical Adam?]]
	*[[Brigham Young (1871): "whether the Lord...made it in six days or in as many millions of years, is and will remain a matter of speculation in the minds of men unless he give revelation on the subject"]]		*[[Brigham Young (1871): "whether the Lord...made it in six days or in as many millions of years, is and will remain a matter of speculation in the minds of men unless he give revelation on the subject"]]
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	==Response to claim: "Science has proven that there was no worldwide flood 4,500 years ago"==		==Response to claim: "Science has proven that there was no worldwide flood 4,500 years ago"==
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	*[[Question: How could the Garden of Eden have been in Missouri if the Flood was local?]]		*[[Question: How could the Garden of Eden have been in Missouri if the Flood was local?]]
	*[[Question: Doesn't the Bible say that the continents were divided immediately after the Flood?]]		*[[Question: Doesn't the Bible say that the continents were divided immediately after the Flood?]]
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	==Response to claim: "This doesn’t stop FAIR from acknowledging and admitting to the impossibility of Noah’s Ark and the global flood"==		==Response to claim: "This doesn’t stop FAIR from acknowledging and admitting to the impossibility of Noah’s Ark and the global flood"==
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	*[[Question: Are Church members required to believe in a global flood?]]		*[[Question: Are Church members required to believe in a global flood?]]
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	==Response to claim: "Other events/claims that science has discredited"==		==Response to claim: "Other events/claims that science has discredited"==
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	*[[Question: What is the best way to understand the story of Jonah and the Whale scientifically?]]		*[[Question: What is the best way to understand the story of Jonah and the Whale scientifically?]]
	*[[Question: What’s the best way to understand the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and Lot turning into a pillar of salt scientifically?]]		*[[Question: What’s the best way to understand the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and Lot turning into a pillar of salt scientifically?]]
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	==Response to claim: "the sun getting its light from Kolob"==		==Response to claim: "the sun getting its light from Kolob"==
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	*[[Question: What is the light which comes from the presence of God?]]		*[[Question: What is the light which comes from the presence of God?]]
	*[[Question: Does the Book of Abraham state that the sun gets its photons from Kolob?]]		*[[Question: Does the Book of Abraham state that the sun gets its photons from Kolob?]]
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	==Response to claim: "They carried honey bees across the ocean? Swarms of them?"==		==Response to claim: "They carried honey bees across the ocean? Swarms of them?"==
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	*[[Padilla et al.: "The maya codex Tro-Cortesianus shows drawings of bees and parts of honey combs"]]		*[[Padilla et al.: "The maya codex Tro-Cortesianus shows drawings of bees and parts of honey combs"]]
	*[[Head: "The indigenous American bee is the melipona (a stingless bee). It produces only about one kilogram of honey per year"]]		*[[Head: "The indigenous American bee is the melipona (a stingless bee). It produces only about one kilogram of honey per year"]]
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	==Response to claim: "Does the lack of an explicit statement that they took their prized bees onboard their submarines to the Promised Land necessarily mean they didn't?"==		==Response to claim: "Does the lack of an explicit statement that they took their prized bees onboard their submarines to the Promised Land necessarily mean they didn't?"==
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	==Response to claim: "In addition to the above Jaredite problems, other Jaredite problems and absurdities include"==		==Response to claim: "In addition to the above Jaredite problems, other Jaredite problems and absurdities include"==
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	*[[Question: How can one properly view events in Ether scientifically?]]		*[[Question: How can one properly view events in Ether scientifically?]]
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	==Response to claim: "Apparently Joseph forgot that he claimed Adam saw God face to face (God of the OT being Jesus). It’s also implied that Seth, Cain, and Enoch did as well. All of this contradicts the claim that the Brother of Jared is the first person to see the spirit body of Christ.'"==		==Response to claim: "Apparently Joseph forgot that he claimed Adam saw God face to face (God of the OT being Jesus). It’s also implied that Seth, Cain, and Enoch did as well. All of this contradicts the claim that the Brother of Jared is the first person to see the spirit body of Christ.'"==
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	*[[Question: Why did Jesus say “Never have I showed myself unto man whom I have created” to the Brother of Jared, when Enoch and others had already seen Jehovah face to face?]]		*[[Question: Why did Jesus say “Never have I showed myself unto man whom I have created” to the Brother of Jared, when Enoch and others had already seen Jehovah face to face?]]
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	==Response to claim: "A beheaded man doing a pushup and trying to breathe? Not likely"==		==Response to claim: "A beheaded man doing a pushup and trying to breathe? Not likely"==
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	*[[Question: How is it possible for Shiz, after he had been beheaded, to raise up on his hands and struggle for breath?]]		*[[Question: How is it possible for Shiz, after he had been beheaded, to raise up on his hands and struggle for breath?]]
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	==LDS Truth Claims: Criticisms from Science==		==LDS Truth Claims: Criticisms from Science==

SpencerMarsh at 04:25, 12 May 2023

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SpencerMarsh: /* LDS Truth Claims: Criticisms from Science */

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SpencerMarsh at 03:42, 12 May 2023

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SpencerMarsh at 03:42, 12 May 2023

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SpencerMarsh at 02:33, 12 May 2023

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