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	{{disinformation\|The author takes this alleged "fact" from MormonThink: "Under President Jimmy Carter, Brigham Young University and possibly the ~~LDS~~ Church itself was in danger of losing their tax exempt status if they continued to discriminate against blacks." MormonThink provides no source for this claim. The removal of the Church's tax-exempt status is a longstanding cherished goal of the ex-Mormon community, so it is easy to see why this particular claim is so easily repeated.		{{disinformation\|The author takes this alleged "fact" from MormonThink: "Under President Jimmy Carter, Brigham Young University and possibly the Church itself was in danger of losing their tax exempt status if they continued to discriminate against blacks." MormonThink provides no source for this claim. The removal of the Church's tax-exempt status is a longstanding cherished goal of the ex-Mormon community, so it is easy to see why this particular claim is so easily repeated.
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SpencerMarsh: /* Response to claim: "We just need to edit out the racism and the 'black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse' stuff in the keystone Book of Mormon and we'll be set" */

2023-05-18T09:44:35Z

Response to claim: "We just need to edit out the racism and the 'black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse' stuff in the keystone Book of Mormon and we'll be set"

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	'''Longer response(s) to criticism:'''		'''Longer response(s) to criticism:'''
			*[[Question: Does the Book of Mormon scripture "he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female" (2 Nephi 26:33) refer to race?]]
	*[[Question: Do the scriptures promote racism?]]		*[[Question: Do the scriptures promote racism?]]
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SpencerMarsh: /* Response to claim: "We just need to edit out the racism and the 'black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse' stuff in the keystone Book of Mormon and we'll be set" */

2023-05-18T09:43:57Z

Response to claim: "We just need to edit out the racism and the 'black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse' stuff in the keystone Book of Mormon and we'll be set"

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	'''Longer response(s) to criticism:'''		'''Longer response(s) to criticism:'''
	*[[Question: ~~Does~~ the ~~Book of Mormon scripture "he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female" (2 Nephi 26:33) refer to race?]]~~		*[[Question: Do the scriptures promote racism?]]
	*[[Question: What was the Lamanite curse?]]
	*[[Question: What is the difference between the "curse" and the "mark" of the Lamanites?]]
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SpencerMarsh: /* Response to claim: "Why would I want them following the prophet when a prophet is just a man of his time?" */

2023-05-18T09:43:00Z

Response to claim: "Why would I want them following the prophet when a prophet is just a man of his time?"

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 *[[Question: Are prophets simply "men of their time," without any special ability to guide the Church?]]
 *[[Question: Can a Prophet Make Mistakes?]]
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SpencerMarsh: /* Response to claim: "The following is Oaks’ 1985 defense of the fake Salamander letter (which Oaks evidently thought was real and legitimate at the time)" */

2023-05-16T21:15:09Z

Response to claim: "The following is Oaks’ 1985 defense of the fake Salamander letter (which Oaks evidently thought was real and legitimate at the time)"

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	{{contextomy\|The portion of the talk quoted by the author of the CES Letter is discussing the "Evaluation" section. That admonition that "Latter-day Saint readers should also be more sophisticated in their evaluation of what they read" is not a statement that Latter-day Saints should take the Salamander Letter at face value - it is a statement that they should read ''media reports'' of Church history events with a critical eye.		{{contextomy\|The portion of the talk quoted by the author of the CES Letter is discussing the "Evaluation" section. That admonition that "Latter-day Saint readers should also be more sophisticated in their evaluation of what they read" is not a statement that Latter-day Saints should take the Salamander Letter at face value - it is a statement that they should read ''media reports'' of Church history events with a critical eye.
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SpencerMarsh: /* Response to claim: "Mark Hofmann...to purchase and suppress bizarre and embarrassing documents into the Church vaults that undermined and threatened the Church’s story of its origins" */

2023-05-16T21:14:58Z

Response to claim: "Mark Hofmann...to purchase and suppress bizarre and embarrassing documents into the Church vaults that undermined and threatened the Church’s story of its origins"

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	*[[Question: What are the Hofmann forgeries and the Salamander Letter?]]		*[[Question: What are the Hofmann forgeries and the Salamander Letter?]]
	*[[Question: Did the Church purchase documents such as Mark Hofmann's "Salamander letter" with the intent of hiding and suppressing them?]]		*[[Question: Did the Church purchase documents such as Mark Hofmann's "Salamander letter" with the intent of hiding and suppressing them?]]
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	==Response to claim: "Lack of discernment by the Brethren on such a grave threat to the Church"==		==Response to claim: "Lack of discernment by the Brethren on such a grave threat to the Church"==

SpencerMarsh: /* Response to claim: "FairMormon's above response got debunked by none other than the Church itself on December 6, 2013 when the Church released its new Race and the Priesthood essay" */

2023-05-16T21:14:46Z

Response to claim: "FairMormon's above response got debunked by none other than the Church itself on December 6, 2013 when the Church released its new Race and the Priesthood essay"

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	{{strawman\|This claim is nonsense: Nothing in FairMormon's statements on these matters contradicts anything the Church's ''Race and Priesthood'' essay.}}		{{strawman\|This claim is nonsense: Nothing in FairMormon's statements on these matters contradicts anything the Church's ''Race and Priesthood'' essay.}}


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	==Response to claim: "We just need to edit out the racism and the 'black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse' stuff in the keystone Book of Mormon and we'll be set"==		==Response to claim: "We just need to edit out the racism and the 'black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse' stuff in the keystone Book of Mormon and we'll be set"==