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	\|claim=The fossils of animals and plants that have lived and died on this earth are thousands and millions of years old. From ancient dead animals and plants, it takes millions of years for oil and coal to form.		\|claim=The fossils of animals and plants that have lived and died on this earth are thousands and millions of years old. From ancient dead animals and plants, it takes millions of years for oil and coal to form.
	\|~~information=~~As far as we are aware, nobody in the Church disputes this.		}}
			{{information\|As far as we are aware, nobody in the Church disputes this.
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	{{:Question: What does the Church teach on the subject of death before the Fall of Adam?}}		{{:Question: What does the Church teach on the subject of death before the Fall of Adam?}}
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	\|claim=Many of these Biblical traditions were believed as literal events by most of the general population in the 1800s as well. These include....Adam and Eve were the first humans.		\|claim=Many of these Biblical traditions were believed as literal events by most of the general population in the 1800s as well. These include....Adam and Eve were the first humans.
	\|~~information=~~Latter-day Saints believe that Adam and Eve existed.		}}
			{{information\|Latter-day Saints believe that Adam and Eve existed.
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	{{:Source:First Presidency statement:1931:Leave geology, biology, archaeology and anthropology, no one of which has to do with the salvation of the souls of mankind, to scientific research}}		{{:Source:First Presidency statement:1931:Leave geology, biology, archaeology and anthropology, no one of which has to do with the salvation of the souls of mankind, to scientific research}}

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	Even the LDS apologists acknowledge that the Church clearly teaches that story of Noah was a real event and it was a global flood.<br>....<br>		Even the LDS apologists acknowledge that the Church clearly teaches that story of Noah was a real event and it was a global flood.<br>....<br>
	Most scientists do not believe that any world-wide flood has occurred. There are serious questions about where all the water came from and went.		Most scientists do not believe that any world-wide flood has occurred. There are serious questions about where all the water came from and went.
	\|~~misinformation=~~There is a single ''Ensign'' article by BYU professor Donald W. Parry that describes the Flood of Noah as being global in scope. The critics insist that this must represent official Church doctrine because the Ensign is "almost considered scripture."		}}
			{{misinformation\|There is a single ''Ensign'' article by BYU professor Donald W. Parry that describes the Flood of Noah as being global in scope. The critics insist that this must represent official Church doctrine because the Ensign is "almost considered scripture."

	However, if critics of the Church insist that one must accept an article by a BYU professor about a global flood as "almost scripture" just because it appeared in the ''Ensign'', then the same standard must be applied to LDS anthropologist John L. Sorenson's two-part ''Ensign'' article in 1984 that describes a limited geography model for the Book of Mormon. You can't accept one without accepting the other.		However, if critics of the Church insist that one must accept an article by a BYU professor about a global flood as "almost scripture" just because it appeared in the ''Ensign'', then the same standard must be applied to LDS anthropologist John L. Sorenson's two-part ''Ensign'' article in 1984 that describes a limited geography model for the Book of Mormon. You can't accept one without accepting the other.
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	\|claim=The Sun Gets Its Light from Kolob		\|claim=The Sun Gets Its Light from Kolob
	\|~~misinformation=~~The Book of Abraham does not state that the sun "gets it light from Kolob," and it is certainly not disputing the notion that photons are emitted from the Sun. The term "light" is used metaphorically, not literally. The October 2014 revision of the "Letter to a CES Director" modifies this claim slightly: "Facsimile 2, Figure #5 states the sun receives its “light from the revolutions of Kolob.” We now know that the process of nuclear fusion is what makes the stars and suns shine. With the discovery of quantum mechanics, scientists learned that the sun’s source of energy is internal, and not external. The sun shines because of thermonuclear fusion; not because it gets its light from any other star as claimed by the Book of Abraham." Regardless of the modification, the Book of Abraham is still not claiming that the sun "gets its light" in the form of photons "from any other star."		}}
			{{misinformation\|The Book of Abraham does not state that the sun "gets it light from Kolob," and it is certainly not disputing the notion that photons are emitted from the Sun. The term "light" is used metaphorically, not literally. The October 2014 revision of the "Letter to a CES Director" modifies this claim slightly: "Facsimile 2, Figure #5 states the sun receives its “light from the revolutions of Kolob.” We now know that the process of nuclear fusion is what makes the stars and suns shine. With the discovery of quantum mechanics, scientists learned that the sun’s source of energy is internal, and not external. The sun shines because of thermonuclear fusion; not because it gets its light from any other star as claimed by the Book of Abraham." Regardless of the modification, the Book of Abraham is still not claiming that the sun "gets its light" in the form of photons "from any other star."
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	{{:Question: What is the light which comes from the presence of God?}}		{{:Question: What is the light which comes from the presence of God?}}
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	\|claim="Evolution Did Not Happen.... (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, section "Evolution and Religion Cannot be Harmonized")"		\|claim="Evolution Did Not Happen.... (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, section "Evolution and Religion Cannot be Harmonized")"
	\|~~misinformation=~~It is not a doctrine of the Church that evolution did not happen. Various individuals have expressed a variety of opinions on the subject, but neither an acceptance nor a rejection of evolution prevents one from being a member of the Church in good standing.		}}
			{{misinformation\|It is not a doctrine of the Church that evolution did not happen. Various individuals have expressed a variety of opinions on the subject, but neither an acceptance nor a rejection of evolution prevents one from being a member of the Church in good standing.
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	{{:Source:Hinckley:Deseret News:2002:What the church requires is only belief that Adam was the first man of what we would call the human race}}		{{:Source:Hinckley:Deseret News:2002:What the church requires is only belief that Adam was the first man of what we would call the human race}}

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	\|claim=What most LDS have been taught in church and believe as truth...Dinosaurs were never alive on this earth, because there was no death before Adam.		\|claim=What most LDS have been taught in church and believe as truth...Dinosaurs were never alive on this earth, because there was no death before Adam.
	\|~~disinformation=~~Nonsense. The Church does not teach that "dinosaurs were never alive on this earth." BYU not only has an active paleontology department, but they have a Museum of Paleontology. The "no death before the fall" applies to Adam and Eve, and there is nothing to indicate that this applied outside the Garden of Eden. Dinosaurs would have existed on the earth long before Adam and Eve appeared.		}}
			{{disinformation\|Nonsense. The Church does not teach that "dinosaurs were never alive on this earth." BYU not only has an active paleontology department, but they have a Museum of Paleontology. The "no death before the fall" applies to Adam and Eve, and there is nothing to indicate that this applied outside the Garden of Eden. Dinosaurs would have existed on the earth long before Adam and Eve appeared.
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	{{:Question: Question: How do we reconcile the actual age of the earth to the "seven thousand years of its continuance" mentioned in D&C 77:6?}}		{{:Question: Question: How do we reconcile the actual age of the earth to the "seven thousand years of its continuance" mentioned in D&C 77:6?}}

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