Criticism of Mormonism/Video/The God Makers/Cartoon - Revision history

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	\|claim=The film again tries to crudely promote the idea that God the Father came from “Starbase Kolob” to visit the Virgin Mary in order to "have sex with the virgin Mary, in order to provide Jesus with a physical body." The cartoon shows God the Father walking through the streets and knocking on Mary's door.		\|claim=The film again tries to crudely promote the idea that God the Father came from “Starbase Kolob” to visit the Virgin Mary in order to "have sex with the virgin Mary, in order to provide Jesus with a physical body." The cartoon shows God the Father walking through the streets and knocking on Mary's door.
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	{{propaganda\|This is not a doctrine of the ~~LDS church~~. It is believed that Jesus is the literal Son of God, but there is no official stance on the process by which he was conceived.		{{propaganda\|This is not a doctrine of the Church. It is believed that Jesus is the literal Son of God, but there is no official stance on the process by which he was conceived.

	Some members and leaders have made and do make this assumption, but this is not a doctrine of the Church—such speculation was more common before assisted reproductive techniques (e.g., IVF, "test tube babies," etc.) made it clear that one can be a literal parent without sexual intercourse. The key has always been to defend the idea of God's literal Fatherhood of Jesus; the Church and its leaders always resisted efforts to allegorize or spiritualize this vital doctrine.}}		Some members and leaders have made and do make this assumption, but this is not a doctrine of the Church—such speculation was more common before assisted reproductive techniques (e.g., IVF, "test tube babies," etc.) made it clear that one can be a literal parent without sexual intercourse. The key has always been to defend the idea of God's literal Fatherhood of Jesus; the Church and its leaders always resisted efforts to allegorize or spiritualize this vital doctrine.}}

RogerNicholson: /* Response to claim: In 421 AD, that the "dark skinned Indian Israelites" had destroyed "all of the white Nephites" */

2017-07-05T16:48:19Z

Response to claim: In 421 AD, that the "dark skinned Indian Israelites" had destroyed "all of the white Nephites"

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			{{:Question: What was the Lamanite curse?}}

	==Response to claim: "a young treasure seeker named Joseph Smith, who was known for his tall tales"==		==Response to claim: "a young treasure seeker named Joseph Smith, who was known for his tall tales"==

RogerNicholson: /* Response to claim: "a young treasure seeker named Joseph Smith, who was known for his tall tales" */

2017-07-05T16:47:21Z

Response to claim: "a young treasure seeker named Joseph Smith, who was known for his tall tales"

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	\|claim=The film states that "a young treasure seeker named Joseph Smith, who was known for his tall tales" claimed to have found the gold plates.		\|claim=The film states that "a young treasure seeker named Joseph Smith, who was known for his tall tales" claimed to have found the gold plates.
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			{{:Question: Was Joseph Smith's participation in "money digging" as a youth a blot on his character?}}
			{{:Question: Was the young Joseph Smith a teller of "tall tales"?}}

	==Response to claim: Joseph is claimed to have organized the "Mormon Church, because all Christian creeds were an abomination"==		==Response to claim: Joseph is claimed to have organized the "Mormon Church, because all Christian creeds were an abomination"==

RogerNicholson: /* Response to claim: Joseph is claimed to have organized the "Mormon Church, because all Christian creeds were an abomination" */

2017-07-05T16:46:00Z

Response to claim: Joseph is claimed to have organized the "Mormon Church, because all Christian creeds were an abomination"

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			{{:Gospel Topics:Are Mormons Christian:Latter-day Saints Do Not Accept the Creeds of Post–New Testament Christianity}}

	==Response to claim: Latter-day Saints "hope to prove their worthiness and thus become gods"==		==Response to claim: Latter-day Saints "hope to prove their worthiness and thus become gods"==

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 ==Response to claim: "trillions of planets" are "ruled by countless gods who were once human like us"==

RogerNicholson: /* Response to claim: "trillions of planets" are "ruled by countless gods who were once human like us" */

2017-07-05T16:38:52Z

Response to claim: "trillions of planets" are "ruled by countless gods who were once human like us"

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	\|claim=The film claims that the Church teaches that "trillions of planets" are "ruled by countless gods who were once human like us."		\|claim=The film claims that the Church teaches that "trillions of planets" are "ruled by countless gods who were once human like us."
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			{{disinformation\|No such thing is taught in Mormonism}}

	==Response to claim: God the Father was born on a distant planet to an “unidentified god and one of his goddess wives"==		==Response to claim: God the Father was born on a distant planet to an “unidentified god and one of his goddess wives"==

RogerNicholson: /* Response to claim: “endless celestial sex” producing “billions of spirit children" */

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Response to claim: “endless celestial sex” producing “billions of spirit children"

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	\|claim=”Goddess wives” are again mentioned with a reference to “endless celestial sex” producing “billions of spirit children.”		\|claim=”Goddess wives” are again mentioned with a reference to “endless celestial sex” producing “billions of spirit children.”
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	*This is again intended to shock the viewer by associating crude terminology with an alleged Mormon belief regarding the Father and the manner in which Jesus Christ was conceived.		{{propaganda\|This is again intended to shock the viewer by associating crude terminology with an alleged Mormon belief regarding the Father and the manner in which Jesus Christ was conceived.}}
	*[[Jesus ~~Christ/Conception]]~~		{{:Question: Do Latter-day Saints believe in a practice called "celestial sex," and that this is the manner in which "spirit children" are formed?}}
	}}		{{:Question: Do Mormons believe that Mary was still a virgin when Jesus was born?}}

	==Response to claim: "Lucifer and his brother Jesus"==		==Response to claim: "Lucifer and his brother Jesus"==

RogerNicholson: /* Response to claim: "Lucifer and his brother Jesus" */

2017-07-05T16:37:16Z

Response to claim: "Lucifer and his brother Jesus"

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	*[[Jesus ~~Christ/Brother~~ of Satan]]		{{:Question: Do Latter-day Saints consider Jesus to be the brother of Satan?}}


	==Response to claim: Lucifer's plan was to "force everyone to become gods"==		==Response to claim: Lucifer's plan was to "force everyone to become gods"==

RogerNicholson: /* Response to claim: Lucifer's plan was to "force everyone to become gods" */

2017-07-05T16:36:31Z

Response to claim: Lucifer's plan was to "force everyone to become gods"

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			{{disinformation\|No, Lucifer's plan was to force everyone to obey God's commandments, without allowing them a choice.}}

	==Response to claim: The “Mormon Jesus"==		==Response to claim: The “Mormon Jesus"==