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	{{misinformation\|Prop 8 did not break up families. Same-sex couples still can have their relationships legally recognized by the government. The Church has never said that the only valid families are those headed by a man and a woman. For example, there are many families in the church that are headed by single parents. There is a difference between saying that the only valid family is one headed by a husband and a wife and the only valid marriage is between a husband and wife.		{{misinformation\|Prop 8 did not break up families. Same-sex couples still can have their relationships legally recognized by the government. The Church has never said that the only valid families are those headed by a man and a woman. For example, there are many families in the church that are headed by single parents. There is a difference between saying that the only valid family is one headed by a husband and a wife and the only valid marriage is between a husband and wife.
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	*For a period of time, beginning some time in the early 1850s, blacks of African descent were not ordained to the <i>priesthood</i>. In 1978, a revelation to President Spencer W. Kimball ended the restriction.		*For a period of time, beginning some time in the early 1850s, blacks of African descent were not ordained to the <i>priesthood</i>. In 1978, a revelation to President Spencer W. Kimball ended the restriction.
	*The author of the film has obviously confused the priesthood restriction with a restriction on church membership. It is not clear whether this was a purposeful attempt at deception or just a case of very sloppy fact-checking.		*The author of the film has obviously confused the priesthood restriction with a restriction on church membership. It is not clear whether this was a purposeful attempt at deception or just a case of very sloppy fact-checking.
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	**Latter-day Saints believe that marriage must be performed on earth, ''not'' after "becoming a god."		**Latter-day Saints believe that marriage must be performed on earth, ''not'' after "becoming a god."
	**Latter-day Saints believe that men ''and'' women will be resurrected. It therefore makes no sense to assume that God "began marrying spirit wives."		**Latter-day Saints believe that men ''and'' women will be resurrected. It therefore makes no sense to assume that God "began marrying spirit wives."
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	{{propaganda\|This is a common, misleading caricature of LDS beliefs.		{{propaganda\|This is a common, misleading caricature of LDS beliefs.
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	*The individual wards and stakes did ask for a report of funds that had been donated by members to ProtectMarriage.com. It can be assumed that this information was sent to the Church. It is not known whether or not the Church "checked off" to make sure that members donated per their commitment.		*The individual wards and stakes did ask for a report of funds that had been donated by members to ProtectMarriage.com. It can be assumed that this information was sent to the Church. It is not known whether or not the Church "checked off" to make sure that members donated per their commitment.
	*We are not aware of any actions or repercussions suffered if it was determined that a member did ''not'' donate what they said they would.		*We are not aware of any actions or repercussions suffered if it was determined that a member did ''not'' donate what they said they would.
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	{{propaganda\|The advertising messages created for the "Yes on 8" campaign were based on case law and real-life situations. However, a rebuttal to an anonymously written "Yes on 8" document called "“Six Consequences . . . if Proposition 8 Fails” was written by LDS lawyer Morris Thurston.<ref>Morris Thurston, [http://www.hrc.org/documents/Responses_to_Six_Consequences_if_Prop_8_Fails.pdf A Commentary on the Document “Six Consequences . . . if Proposition 8 Fails”]</ref> This document was used by "No on 8" supporters to show that even LDS realized that lies were being promoted. Thurston's points were contested by another LDS attorney, Blake Ostler.<ref>Blake Ostler, [http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/10/prop-8-comment-they-would-not-print/569/ Prop 8 comment (that is now a Prop 8 post)] (Oct. 20, 2008)</ref> Upon discovering that the "No on 8" campaign was making use of his comments, Thurston issued a press release which pointed out that "A press release dated October 19 from a public relations firm representing 'No on 8' is inaccurate and misleading," and that he was "erroneously cited as having 'debunked' new California Prop 8 ads."		{{propaganda\|The advertising messages created for the "Yes on 8" campaign were based on case law and real-life situations. However, a rebuttal to an anonymously written "Yes on 8" document called "“Six Consequences . . . if Proposition 8 Fails” was written by LDS lawyer Morris Thurston.<ref>Morris Thurston, [http://www.hrc.org/documents/Responses_to_Six_Consequences_if_Prop_8_Fails.pdf A Commentary on the Document “Six Consequences . . . if Proposition 8 Fails”]</ref> This document was used by "No on 8" supporters to show that even LDS realized that lies were being promoted. Thurston's points were contested by another LDS attorney, Blake Ostler.<ref>Blake Ostler, [http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/10/prop-8-comment-they-would-not-print/569/ Prop 8 comment (that is now a Prop 8 post)] (Oct. 20, 2008)</ref> Upon discovering that the "No on 8" campaign was making use of his comments, Thurston issued a press release which pointed out that "A press release dated October 19 from a public relations firm representing 'No on 8' is inaccurate and misleading," and that he was "erroneously cited as having 'debunked' new California Prop 8 ads."
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	{{disinformation\|African-Americans have been able to attend the temple since 1978. This has not changed. The statement made implies that the Church continues to ban them from the temple.		{{disinformation\|African-Americans have been able to attend the temple since 1978. This has not changed. The statement made implies that the Church continues to ban them from the temple.
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	*Simply being homosexual is not considered unclean. Sexual relationships outside that of a husband and a wife would be considered unclean.		*Simply being homosexual is not considered unclean. Sexual relationships outside that of a husband and a wife would be considered unclean.
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	* Bruce described a very harsh use of profanity by the people administering the therapy. This level of profanity on a client would be difficult to find at any university, much less BYU. For those familiar with BYU, a foul-mouthed administrator seems almost humorous.		* Bruce described a very harsh use of profanity by the people administering the therapy. This level of profanity on a client would be difficult to find at any university, much less BYU. For those familiar with BYU, a foul-mouthed administrator seems almost humorous.
	* The clients set their own level of shock. It was not forced upon them.		* The clients set their own level of shock. It was not forced upon them.
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	*There is no evidence to support a "suicide epidemic" as a result of the practice of aversion therapy at BYU.		*There is no evidence to support a "suicide epidemic" as a result of the practice of aversion therapy at BYU.
	*There is no way to tell what caused the suicides that happened. Suicide rates of people involved in same-sex relationships are higher even in places that embrace such relationships.		*There is no way to tell what caused the suicides that happened. Suicide rates of people involved in same-sex relationships are higher even in places that embrace such relationships.
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	{{propaganda\|Many people with same-sex attractions chose not to participate in same-sex relationships, and many are faithful members of the Church. This view was severely lacking from the film.		{{propaganda\|Many people with same-sex attractions chose not to participate in same-sex relationships, and many are faithful members of the Church. This view was severely lacking from the film.
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	==Overview==		==Overview==
	This article examines and responds to specific claims made in the documentary "8: The Mormon Proposition." The film uses quotes that don't exist, misrepresent facts, and perpetuates false and degrading stereotypes about Mormons with same-sex attractions.		This article examines and responds to specific claims made in the documentary "8: The Mormon Proposition." The film uses quotes that don't exist, misrepresent facts, and perpetuates false and degrading stereotypes about Mormons with same-sex attractions.
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	\|S=A June 2010 documentary called "8: The Mormon Proposition," written and produced by Reed Cowan, claims to be an expose of the role that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints played in the passage of California Proposition 8. Reviews of the film generally agreed that it was a polemical treatment of the issue, pitting the Church as villain in a quest to limit or remove the rights of same-sex couples. FAIR reviews some of the individual claims made in the documentary.		\|S=A June 2010 documentary called "8: The Mormon Proposition," written and produced by Reed Cowan, claims to be an expose of the role that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints played in the passage of California Proposition 8. Reviews of the film generally agreed that it was a polemical treatment of the issue, pitting the Church as villain in a quest to limit or remove the rights of same-sex couples. FAIR reviews some of the individual claims made in the documentary.

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	\|title=~~{{check}}~~		\|title=8: The Mormon Proposition
	\|claim=There are many stories about people being rejected by their families. The implication is that the Church causes families to reject their gay children.		\|claim=There are many stories about people being rejected by their families. The implication is that the Church causes families to reject their gay children.
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	The Church encourages family members to love and reach out to their family members, regardless of how they choose to live their lives. In a 1992 statement to Church leaders, the Church counseled:		{{propaganda\|The Church encourages family members to love and reach out to their family members, regardless of how they choose to live their lives. In a 1992 statement to Church leaders, the Church counseled:

	"If a person with homosexual problems chooses not to change, family members may have difficulty maintaining feelings of love and acceptance toward the person. Encourage them to continue loving the person and hoping that he or she may repent."		"If a person with homosexual problems chooses not to change, family members may have difficulty maintaining feelings of love and acceptance toward the person. Encourage them to continue loving the person and hoping that he or she may repent."

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	\|title=~~{{check}}~~		\|title=8: The Mormon Proposition
	\|claim=Sutherland Institute and Utah legislature are used throughout the move to represent the Church's view on gay rights.		\|claim=Sutherland Institute and Utah legislature are used throughout the move to represent the Church's view on gay rights.
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	*Both have opposed the Church's stance on gay rights. The Church has supported employment and housing rights for those with same-sex attractions, while both the Sutherland Institute and the Utah legislature opposed those rights.<ref>Rosemary Winters, [http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13766464 LDS apostle: SLC gay-rights measures could work for state] (Nov 11, 2009)</ref>		{{disinformation\|Both have opposed the Church's stance on gay rights. The Church has supported employment and housing rights for those with same-sex attractions, while both the Sutherland Institute and the Utah legislature opposed those rights.<ref>Rosemary Winters, [http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13766464 LDS apostle: SLC gay-rights measures could work for state] (Nov 11, 2009)</ref>
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	{{propaganda\|Many people with same-sex attractions chose not to participate in same-sex relationships, and many are faithful members of the Church. This view was severely lacking from the film.		{{propaganda\|Many people with same-sex attractions chose not to participate in same-sex relationships, and many are faithful members of the Church. This view was severely lacking from the film.
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	\|claim=Throughout the movie, there is a recurring theme that people do not chose to be gay and that same-sex relationships is part of being gay.		\|claim=Throughout the movie, there is a recurring theme that people do not chose to be gay and that same-sex relationships is part of being gay.
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	*Many people with same-sex attractions chose not to participate in same-sex relationships, and many are faithful members of the Church. This view was severely lacking from the film.		{{propaganda\|Many people with same-sex attractions chose not to participate in same-sex relationships, and many are faithful members of the Church. This view was severely lacking from the film.
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	\|claim=There is the sound of a girl who wants two mommies. The implication was that Prop 8 was trying to break up families.		\|claim=There is the sound of a girl who wants two mommies. The implication was that Prop 8 was trying to break up families.
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	*Prop 8 did not break up families. Same-sex couples still can have their relationships legally recognized by the government. The Church has never said that the only valid families are those headed by a man and a woman. For example, there are many families in the church that are headed by single parents. There is a difference between saying that the only valid family is one headed by a husband and a wife and the only valid marriage is between a husband and wife.		{{misinformation\|Prop 8 did not break up families. Same-sex couples still can have their relationships legally recognized by the government. The Church has never said that the only valid families are those headed by a man and a woman. For example, there are many families in the church that are headed by single parents. There is a difference between saying that the only valid family is one headed by a husband and a wife and the only valid marriage is between a husband and wife.
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