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	Did Sidney Rigdon give public approval to the Danites during a speech he delivered on June 17, 1838?		Did Sidney Rigdon give public approval to the Danites during a speech he delivered on June 17, 1838?
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	*Winn, 124.		*Winn, 124.
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	#*Endnote 7 simply states: "This event occurred c. June 1838 at Spring Hill, MO."		#Endnote 7 simply states: "This event occurred c. June 1838 at Spring Hill, MO."
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	The author claims that "Twenty-first century Mormonism" promotes the idea that Cain, Abel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, and Noah lived in Missouri.		The author claims that "Twenty-first century Mormonism" promotes the idea that Cain, Abel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, and Noah lived in Missouri.
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	{{misinformation\|It would be safe to say that ''Twenty-first'' century Latter-day Saints rarely discuss this issue. ''Nineteenth century'' and early ''twentieth century'' Latter-day Saints may have speculated on this.		{{misinformation\|It would be safe to say that ''Twenty-first'' century Latter-day Saints rarely discuss this issue. ''Nineteenth century'' and early ''twentieth century'' Latter-day Saints may have speculated on this.
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	Did Joseph allow the formation of the Danites?		Did Joseph allow the formation of the Danites?
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	#*Hill 75.		#Hill 75.
	*William Edwin Berrett, ''The Restored Church'', 198.		*William Edwin Berrett, ''The Restored Church'', 198.
	*Sampson Avard, ''Correspondence, Orders'', 97-98.		*Sampson Avard, ''Correspondence, Orders'', 97-98.
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	*Leland Gentry, [http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/byustudies&CISOPTR=460&REC=6 The Danite Band of 1838], ''BYU Studies'' 14/4 (1974): 421—50.		*Leland Gentry, [http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/byustudies&CISOPTR=460&REC=6 The Danite Band of 1838], ''BYU Studies'' 14/4 (1974): 421—50.
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	According to the author, after driving the Saints from their homes, Bogart started to threaten the Saints "in their own territory."		According to the author, after driving the Saints from their homes, Bogart started to threaten the Saints "in their own territory."
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	*{{AuthorQuote\|"While on a bluff overlooking the waterway, a member of his party discovered a rocky formation vaguely reminiscent of an ancient altar. Joseph gazed at the rocks, then noticed the lush prarie stretching out before him..."}}		*{{AuthorQuote\|"While on a bluff overlooking the waterway, a member of his party discovered a rocky formation vaguely reminiscent of an ancient altar. Joseph gazed at the rocks, then noticed the lush prarie stretching out before him..."}}

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	{{AuthorQuote\|"But after Smith arrived, the Mormons suddenly could not remember making an agreement to limit their settlements to one county."}}		{{AuthorQuote\|"But after Smith arrived, the Mormons suddenly could not remember making an agreement to limit their settlements to one county."}}
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	The author claims that "Twenty-first century Mormonism" promotes the idea that Cain, Abel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, and Noah lived in Missouri.		The author claims that "Twenty-first century Mormonism" promotes the idea that Cain, Abel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, and Noah lived in Missouri.
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	{{misinformation\|It would be safe to say that ''Twenty-first'' century Latter-day Saints rarely discuss this issue. ''Nineteenth century'' and early ''twentieth century'' Latter-day Saints may have speculated on this.		{{misinformation\|It would be safe to say that ''Twenty-first'' century Latter-day Saints rarely discuss this issue. ''Nineteenth century'' and early ''twentieth century'' Latter-day Saints may have speculated on this.
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	Did Oliver Cowdery accuse Joseph of having a "dirty, nasty, filthy affair" with Fanny Alger?		Did Oliver Cowdery accuse Joseph of having a "dirty, nasty, filthy affair" with Fanny Alger?
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	Oliver Cowdery, letter to Warren Cowdery, January 21, 1838.		#Oliver Cowdery, letter to Warren Cowdery, January 21, 1838.
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	{{information\|Oliver did accuse Joseph of such activities.		{{information\|Oliver did accuse Joseph of such activities.
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	*Hill 75.		#*Hill 75.
	*William Edwin Berrett, ''The Restored Church'', 198.		*William Edwin Berrett, ''The Restored Church'', 198.
	*Sampson Avard, ''Correspondence, Orders'', 97-98.		*Sampson Avard, ''Correspondence, Orders'', 97-98.
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	*Winn, 124.		*Winn, 124.
	*Reed Peck, ''Reed Peck Manuscript'', 3.		*Reed Peck, ''Reed Peck Manuscript'', 3.
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	{{information\|Joseph Smith's journal entry for 27 July 1838 shows that he was familiar with the Danites and that he believed that their objective was to "put to rights physically that which is not right" and to "cleanse the Church of very great evils." This likely refers to the encouragement of dissenters to leave the county. The entry in the journal is definitely crossed out, although the reason for this is not stated.		{{information\|Joseph Smith's journal entry for 27 July 1838 shows that he was familiar with the Danites and that he believed that their objective was to "put to rights physically that which is not right" and to "cleanse the Church of very great evils." This likely refers to the encouragement of dissenters to leave the county. The entry in the journal is definitely crossed out, although the reason for this is not stated.
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	Joseph Smith, ''Missouri Journal, 1838, March to September'', under July 27, 1838. Reprinted in Jessee, ''The Papers of Joseph Smith'', vol. 2, 262.		#Joseph Smith, ''Missouri Journal, 1838, March to September'', under July 27, 1838. Reprinted in Jessee, ''The Papers of Joseph Smith'', vol. 2, 262.
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	*Leland Gentry, [http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/byustudies&CISOPTR=460&REC=6 The Danite Band of 1838], ''BYU Studies'' 14/4 (1974): 421—50.		*Leland Gentry, [http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/byustudies&CISOPTR=460&REC=6 The Danite Band of 1838], ''BYU Studies'' 14/4 (1974): 421—50.
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	Did Latter-day Saints plan to "take over" by voting?		Did Latter-day Saints plan to "take over" by voting?
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	{{propaganda\|This is an absurd claim. Does anyone plan to "take over" when they exercise their right to vote? Isn't the entire point of voting to be able to participate in the process of selecting those who will govern us?		{{propaganda\|This is an absurd claim. Does anyone plan to "take over" when they exercise their right to vote? Isn't the entire point of voting to be able to participate in the process of selecting those who will govern us?
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	{{AuthorQuote\|"...calling their attention to the fact that the Saints were 'horse thieves, liars, counterfeiters, and dupes.'"}}		{{AuthorQuote\|"...calling their attention to the fact that the Saints were 'horse thieves, liars, counterfeiters, and dupes.'"}}
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	LeSueur, 61.		#LeSueur, 61.
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	*Leland Gentry, [http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/byustudies&CISOPTR=460&REC=6 The Danite Band of 1838], ''BYU Studies'' 14/4 (1974): 421—50.		*Leland Gentry, [http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/byustudies&CISOPTR=460&REC=6 The Danite Band of 1838], ''BYU Studies'' 14/4 (1974): 421—50.
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