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	Joseph used at least two seer stones.		Joseph used at least two seer stones.
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	*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Magic World View\|pages=245}}		*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Magic World View\|pages=245}}
	*E.W. Vanderhoof, ''Historical Sketches of Western New York'', quoted in Quinn, 43.		*E.W. Vanderhoof, ''Historical Sketches of Western New York'', quoted in Quinn, 43.
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	Did Isaac Hale, Emma's father, disapprove of Joseph because of his money digging activities?		Did Isaac Hale, Emma's father, disapprove of Joseph because of his money digging activities?
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	*Isaac Hale, cited in {{CriticalWork:Howe:Mormonism Unvailed\|pages=262-263}}.		*Isaac Hale, cited in {{CriticalWork:Howe:Mormonism Unvailed\|pages=262-263}}.
	*Martin Harris, ''Tiffany's Monthly'', August 1859, vol. 5, 164.		*Martin Harris, ''Tiffany's Monthly'', August 1859, vol. 5, 164.
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	Joseph tried to sell the copyright of the Book of Mormon in Canada.		Joseph tried to sell the copyright of the Book of Mormon in Canada.
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	*Hiram Page, letter to William McLellin, February 2, 1848.		*Hiram Page, letter to William McLellin, February 2, 1848.
	*David Whitmer, ''An Address to All Believers in Christ'', 30-31.		*David Whitmer, ''An Address to All Believers in Christ'', 30-31.
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	Was one of Joseph's early descriptions of Moroni that of a "bloody ghost" with his throat cut?		Was one of Joseph's early descriptions of Moroni that of a "bloody ghost" with his throat cut?
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	*Hiel Lewis, ''Amboy Journal'', April 30, 1879, quote in Wesley P. Walters, "The Mormon Prophet Attempts to Join the Methodists," reprinted in Wyl, ''Mormon Portraits'', 79-80.		*Hiel Lewis, ''Amboy Journal'', April 30, 1879, quote in Wesley P. Walters, "The Mormon Prophet Attempts to Join the Methodists," reprinted in Wyl, ''Mormon Portraits'', 79-80.
	*Fayette Lapham [May 1870], reprinted in {{EarlyMormonDocs1\|vol=1\|start=459}}		*Fayette Lapham [May 1870], reprinted in {{EarlyMormonDocs1\|vol=1\|start=459}}
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	It is claimed that "all of the ''religious'' aspects" of Joseph's story were added later		It is claimed that "all of the ''religious'' aspects" of Joseph's story were added later
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	*Orasmus Turner, 214.		*Orasmus Turner, 214.
	*Hiel Lewis.		*Hiel Lewis.
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	The author states: "After all, no one had actually seen the plates, nor would anyone ''ever'' see them"		The author states: "After all, no one had actually seen the plates, nor would anyone ''ever'' see them"
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	*{{SourceDistortion}}: these testimonies cited below assert that they ''did'' see the plates, not that "no one" had.		*{{SourceDistortion}}: these testimonies cited below assert that they ''did'' see the plates, not that "no one" had.
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	Did David Whitmer say that none of the Three Witnesses ever actually physically saw or handled the plates?		Did David Whitmer say that none of the Three Witnesses ever actually physically saw or handled the plates?
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	*David Whitmer, interview recorded by P. Wilhelm Poulson, c. early 1878, reprinted in ''Deseret Evening News'', August 16, 1878. [Available in {{EarlyMormonDocs\|vol=6\|start=37\|end=40}}]		*David Whitmer, interview recorded by P. Wilhelm Poulson, c. early 1878, reprinted in ''Deseret Evening News'', August 16, 1878. [Available in {{EarlyMormonDocs\|vol=6\|start=37\|end=40}}]
	*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows\|pages=77-80}}		*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows\|pages=77-80}}
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	Did Joseph use his "peep stone" to translate the Book of Mormon?		Did Joseph use his "peep stone" to translate the Book of Mormon?
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	Hiel Lewis, "Review of Mormonism: Rejoinder to Elder Cadwell." ''Amboy Journal'', June 4, 1879, quoted in {{CriticalWork:Quinn:Magic World View\|pages=172}}.		Hiel Lewis, "Review of Mormonism: Rejoinder to Elder Cadwell." ''Amboy Journal'', June 4, 1879, quoted in {{CriticalWork:Quinn:Magic World View\|pages=172}}.
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	Did Emma Smith and David Whitmer confirm that Joseph translated using his seer stone in a hat?		Did Emma Smith and David Whitmer confirm that Joseph translated using his seer stone in a hat?
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	*Emma Smith Bidamon, Interview with Joseph Smith, III, February 1879, reprinted in Vogel, ''Early Mormon Documents'', vol. 1, 539.		*Emma Smith Bidamon, Interview with Joseph Smith, III, February 1879, reprinted in Vogel, ''Early Mormon Documents'', vol. 1, 539.
	*Martin Harris, Interview with Anthony Metcalf, c. 1873-1874. Quoted in A. Metcalf, ''Ten Years Before the Mast...'', reprinted in Vogel, ''Early Mormon Documents'', vol. 2, 346-347.		*Martin Harris, Interview with Anthony Metcalf, c. 1873-1874. Quoted in A. Metcalf, ''Ten Years Before the Mast...'', reprinted in Vogel, ''Early Mormon Documents'', vol. 2, 346-347.

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	*[[Joseph Smith/Legal trials/1826 glasslooking trial]]		*[[Joseph Smith/Legal trials/1826 glasslooking trial]]
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	#*Francis Kirkham, '' A New Witness for Christ in the America'', 386.		#Francis Kirkham, '' A New Witness for Christ in the America'', 386.
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	==Response to claim: 47, 503n22 (HB) - Did Joseph realize that money-digging was only earning him $14 a month, and that this was "not nearly enough to support a family"?==		==Response to claim: 47, 503n22 (HB) - Did Joseph realize that money-digging was only earning him $14 a month, and that this was "not nearly enough to support a family"?==
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	Was it "widely understood" in the 1800s the Joseph located the plates by using his seer stone to see where they had been deposited?		Was it "widely understood" in the 1800s the Joseph located the plates by using his seer stone to see where they had been deposited?
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	#*Orasmus Turner, ''History of the Pioneer Settlement of Phelps and Gorham's Purchase, and Morris Reserve. (1852)		#Orasmus Turner, ''History of the Pioneer Settlement of Phelps and Gorham's Purchase, and Morris Reserve. (1852)
	*Hosea Stout, ''On the Mormon Frontier: The Diary of Hosea Stout'', vol. 2, 593.		*Hosea Stout, ''On the Mormon Frontier: The Diary of Hosea Stout'', vol. 2, 593.
	*Martin Harris, ''Tiffany's Monthly'', vol. 5, 163, 169.		*Martin Harris, ''Tiffany's Monthly'', vol. 5, 163, 169.
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	*[[Nature of God/Deification of man\|Human deification/''theosis'']]		*[[Nature of God/Deification of man\|Human deification/''theosis'']]
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	==Response to claim: 52 (HB) - Did Joseph teach the notion that "Blacks, Indians, and other people of color are cursed spirits"?==		==Response to claim: 52 (HB) - Did Joseph teach the notion that "Blacks, Indians, and other people of color are cursed spirits"?==
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	Joseph Smith claimed that the Three Witnesses saw the plates in a vision.		Joseph Smith claimed that the Three Witnesses saw the plates in a vision.
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	#*Joseph Smith, "History of Joseph Smith—Continued", ''Times and Seasons'', September 1, 1842, vol. 3, no. 21, 897-898.		#Joseph Smith, "History of Joseph Smith—Continued", ''Times and Seasons'', September 1, 1842, vol. 3, no. 21, 897-898.
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	{{propaganda\|A common tactic of critics of Mormonism is to attempt to dismiss the witnesses by claiming that their experiences were imaginary. The Three Witnesses saw the plates and the angel Moroni, and they considered it a vision. It doesn't change the fact that they saw the plates. Here is the relevant text from the cited source:		{{propaganda\|A common tactic of critics of Mormonism is to attempt to dismiss the witnesses by claiming that their experiences were imaginary. The Three Witnesses saw the plates and the angel Moroni, and they considered it a vision. It doesn't change the fact that they saw the plates. Here is the relevant text from the cited source:

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	*Did Joseph teach the doctrine of "Caucasians advancing to godhood?"		*Did Joseph teach the doctrine of "Caucasians advancing to godhood?"

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	*[[One Nation Under Gods#Absurd clams\|Absurd claims]]		*[[One Nation Under Gods#Absurd clams\|Absurd claims]]
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	{{:Question: Didn't Hugh Nibley claim that a record of this trial would be "the most damning evidence in existence" against Joseph Smith?}}		{{:Question: Didn't Hugh Nibley claim that a record of this trial would be "the most damning evidence in existence" against Joseph Smith?}}
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	*Francis Kirkham claimed that "If any evidence had been in existence that Joseph Smith had used a seer stone for fraud and deception, and especially had he made this confession in a court of law as early as 1826, or four years before the ''Book of Mormon'' was printed, and this confession was in a court record, it would have been impossible for him to have organized the restored Church."		\|claim=Francis Kirkham claimed that "If any evidence had been in existence that Joseph Smith had used a seer stone for fraud and deception, and especially had he made this confession in a court of law as early as 1826, or four years before the ''Book of Mormon'' was printed, and this confession was in a court record, it would have been impossible for him to have organized the restored Church."
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	*[[Joseph Smith/Legal trials/1826 glasslooking trial]]		*[[Joseph Smith/Legal trials/1826 glasslooking trial]]
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