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	*{{AuthorQuote\|"Mormonism has been an emotion-based religion opposed to intellectual, rational thought."}}		*{{AuthorQuote\|"Mormonism has been an emotion-based religion opposed to intellectual, rational thought."}}
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	{{propaganda\|Many Mormons seem to have been able to use "intellectual, rational thought" to demonstrate the many errors, distortions, and misstatements in this work attacking their faith. LDS testimonies involve both [[Holy Ghost/Burning in the bosom\|mind and heart]]. Members of the Church become ''more active'' and committed to their faith as their degree of education increases: [[~~Mormonism_and_education~~/~~Education_and_belief~~\|Education and belief]]. This does not prove the Church true, but it does put the lie to claims that members are ill-informed, uneducated, or ignorant.		{{propaganda\|Many Mormons seem to have been able to use "intellectual, rational thought" to demonstrate the many errors, distortions, and misstatements in this work attacking their faith. LDS testimonies involve both [[Holy Ghost/Burning in the bosom\|mind and heart]]. Members of the Church become ''more active'' and committed to their faith as their degree of education increases: [[Mormonism and education/Education and belief\|Education and belief]]. This does not prove the Church true, but it does put the lie to claims that members are ill-informed, uneducated, or ignorant.
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	{{misinformation\|The original claim that "the thinking is done" was made once in a church magazine, and the president of the Church immediately declared it to be false. Anti-Mormons continue to invoke it. N. Eldon Tanner ''did'' say the following in 1979 regarding ''moral issues'':		{{misinformation\|The original claim that "the thinking is done" was made once in a church magazine, and the president of the Church immediately declared it to be false. Anti-Mormons continue to invoke it. N. Eldon Tanner ''did'' say the following in 1979 regarding ''moral issues'':
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	Why should there be any debate over the '''moral issues''' which are confounding the world today? When the prophet speaks the debate is over. ("The Debate is Over", ''Ensign'', August 1979} {{ea}}		Why should there be any debate over the '''moral issues''' which are confounding the world today? When the prophet speaks the debate is over. ("The Debate is Over", ''Ensign'', August 1979) {{ea}}
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	*Maxine Hanks, ''Women and Authority: Re-emerging Mormon Feminism''.		*Maxine Hanks, ''Women and Authority: Re-emerging Mormon Feminism''.
	*D. Michael Quinn, "On Being a Mormon Historian (and Its Aftermath)," in George D. Smith, ''Faithful History: Essays On Writing Mormon History'', 76 (endnote #22 in Quinn).		*D. Michael Quinn, "On Being a Mormon Historian (and Its Aftermath)," in George D. Smith, ''Faithful History: Essays On Writing Mormon History'', 76 (endnote #22 in Quinn).
	*Boyd K. Packer, "The Mantle Is Far, Far Greater Than the Intellect", August, 22, 1981.		*Boyd K. Packer, "The Mantle Is Far, Far Greater Than the Intellect", August 22, 1981.
	*Boyd K. Packer, ''Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled'', 106.		*Boyd K. Packer, ''Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled'', 106.
	*Boyd K. Packer. Quoted in ''Salt Lake Tribune'', September 20, 1993.		*Boyd K. Packer. Quoted in ''Salt Lake Tribune'', September 20, 1993.
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	*Spencer W. Kimball, ''Improvement Era'', December 1960, 922-923. Qjuoted in Bill McKeever and Eric Johnson, "Pure and Delightsome," ''Mormonism Researched'', Spring 1994, 5.		*Spencer W. Kimball, ''Improvement Era'', December 1960, 922-923. Qjuoted in Bill McKeever and Eric Johnson, "Pure and Delightsome," ''Mormonism Researched'', Spring 1994, 5.
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	{{misinformation\|Brigham Young and Spencer W. Kimball were unaware of a [[~~Book_of_Mormon~~/~~Textual_changes~~/~~%22white%22_changed_to_%22pure%22~~\|clarification]] on this issue which Joseph Smith had made to the Book of Mormon text. In any case, the LDS do not believe in [[Fallibility of prophets\|prophetic infallibility]].		{{misinformation\|Brigham Young and Spencer W. Kimball were unaware of a [[Book of Mormon/Textual changes/"white" changed to "pure"\|clarification]] on this issue which Joseph Smith had made to the Book of Mormon text. In any case, the LDS do not believe in [[Fallibility of prophets\|prophetic infallibility]].
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	LDS leaders should have been capable of detecting the Hofmann deception.		LDS leaders should have been capable of detecting the Hofmann deception.
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	{{disinformation\|LDS doctrine is very clear that prophets will ''not'' always know deception when they see it. For it to be otherwise would be to threaten moral agency. Said the Lord to Joseph Smith: "as you cannot always judge the righteous, or as you cannot always tell the wicked from the righteous, therefore I say unto you, hold your peace until I shall see fit to make all things known unto the world concerning the matter" ({{s\|\|DC\|10\|37}}).		{{disinformation\|LDS doctrine is very clear that prophets will ''not'' always know deception when they see it. For it to be otherwise would be to threaten moral agency. Said the Lord to Joseph Smith: "as you cannot always judge the righteous, or as you cannot always tell the wicked from the righteous, therefore I say unto you, hold your peace until I shall see fit to make all things known unto the world concerning the matter" ({{s\|\|D&C\|10\|37}}).
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	#Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 197.		#Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 197.
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	{{propaganda\|It is not clear what the actions of these individuals, despite the fact that some were LDS, has to do with the Church itself. Do we condemn other Christian faiths simply because their ministers may be found guilty of sex scandals, financial impropriety, or child abuse? Or, do we conclude that not all members of a faith live up to its precepts? The author ignores that a Church member, Mitt Romney, was hired to "clean up" the games and eventually stage a successful Olympics.		{{propaganda\|It is not clear what the actions of these individuals, despite the fact that some were LDS, has to do with the Church itself. Do we condemn other Christian faiths simply because their ministers may be found guilty of sex scandals, financial impropriety, or child abuse? Or, do we conclude that not all members of a faith live up to its precepts? The author ignores that a Church member, Mitt Romney, was hired to "clean up" the games and eventually stage a successful Olympics.
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	*[[~~Logical_fallacies~~#~~Guilt_by_association~~\|Logical fallacies: guilt by association]]		*[[Logical fallacies#Guilt by association\|Logical fallacies: guilt by association]]

	==Response to claim: 434, 614n117-127 - Do Latter-day Saints believe they will rescue the Constitution from ruin, thus allowing "Mormonism" to take over the world?==		==Response to claim: 434, 614n117-127 - Do Latter-day Saints believe they will rescue the Constitution from ruin, thus allowing "Mormonism" to take over the world?==

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	{{propaganda\|Members of the Church leave all judgment in God's hands. They are commanded to perform vicarious ordinances for ''all'' deceased persons for whom records exist. This is no way guarantees or implies Hitler's acceptance of Mormonism or forgiveness. Such matters are left to God. Does the author really wish to imply, though, that even the most wicked sinner might be beyond the reach of Christ's atoning grace? The Latter-day Saints do not.		{{propaganda\|Members of the Church leave all judgment in God's hands. They are commanded to perform vicarious ordinances for ''all'' deceased persons for whom records exist. This is no way guarantees or implies Hitler's acceptance of Mormonism or forgiveness. Such matters are left to God. Does the author really wish to imply, though, that even the most wicked sinner might be beyond the reach of Christ's atoning grace? The Latter-day Saints do not.
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	*Helen Radkey, "The Mormon Church Attempts to Conceal Temple Records for Adolf Hitler"		*Helen Radkey, "The Mormon Church Attempts to Conceal Temple Records for Adolf Hitler"
	*Jan Cienski, "Jews Urge Mormons to Curb Zeal," National Post, June 6, 2001.		*Jan Cienski, "Jews Urge Mormons to Curb Zeal," National Post, June 6, 2001.
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	{{misinformation\|The author fails to note that Fawn Brodie worked in the 1940s, when the archives were less well-organized—her experience is irrelevant to the present-day.		{{misinformation\|The author fails to note that Fawn Brodie worked in the 1940s, when the archives were less well-organized—her experience is irrelevant to the present-day.
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	*Fawn Brodie. Quoted by Newell G. Bringhurst, "Fawn McKay Brodie: Dissident Historian and Quintessential Critic of Mormondom," in Roger Launius, Linda Thatcher, Leonard J. Arrington, eds., ''Differing Visions: Dissenters in Mormon History'', 290.		*Fawn Brodie. Quoted by Newell G. Bringhurst, "Fawn McKay Brodie: Dissident Historian and Quintessential Critic of Mormondom," in Roger Launius, Linda Thatcher, Leonard J. Arrington, eds., ''Differing Visions: Dissenters in Mormon History'', 290.
	*B. Carmon Hardy, "Truth and Mistruth in Mormon History," in Lavina Fielding Anderson and Janice Merrill Allred, eds., ''Case Reports of the Mormon Alliance'', vol. 3, 279. (The author lists all three volumes as "available for purchase" from the Tanner's ULM.)		*B. Carmon Hardy, "Truth and Mistruth in Mormon History," in Lavina Fielding Anderson and Janice Merrill Allred, eds., ''Case Reports of the Mormon Alliance'', vol. 3, 279. (The author lists all three volumes as "available for purchase" from the Tanner's ULM.)
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	The ''History of the Church'' was mostly written after his death, but reads as if he wrote it himself.		The ''History of the Church'' was mostly written after his death, but reads as if he wrote it himself.
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	*Dean C. Jessee, "[http://byustudies.byu.edu/Products/MoreInfoPage/MoreInfo.aspx?Type=7&ProdID=578 The Writing of Joseph Smith's History]," ''Brigham Young University Studies'' [Summer 1971], vol. 11, 469, 470, 472.		*Dean C. Jessee, "[http://byustudies.byu.edu/Products/MoreInfoPage/MoreInfo.aspx?Type=7&ProdID=578 The Writing of Joseph Smith's History]," ''Brigham Young University Studies'' [Summer 1971], vol. 11, 469, 470, 472.
	*{{CriticalWork:Tanner:Mormonism Shadow\|pages=126-162D}}		*{{CriticalWork:Tanner:Mormonism Shadow\|pages=126-162D}}
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	Was a "forged prediction" added to the history that a "mighty people" that would dwell "in the midst of the Rocky Mountains"?		Was a "forged prediction" added to the history that a "mighty people" that would dwell "in the midst of the Rocky Mountains"?
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	*''History of the Church'', vol. 5, 85, 393-394, 398.		*''History of the Church'', vol. 5, 85, 393-394, 398.
	*No other citation is given to support this claim, but the argument is found in {{CriticalWork:Tanner:Changing World\|pages=404-408}}		*No other citation is given to support this claim, but the argument is found in {{CriticalWork:Tanner:Changing World\|pages=404-408}}
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	*(Note: Should be "Stephen" A. Douglas)		*(Note: Should be "Stephen" A. Douglas)
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	*''History of the Church'', vol. 5, 85, 393-394, 398.		*''History of the Church'', vol. 5, 85, 393-394, 398.
	*No other citation is given to support this claim.		*No other citation is given to support this claim.
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	Were over 62,000 words were added or deleted from the history of the Church? The endnote adds that LDS leaders claim that the "official history" is "the most accurate history in all the world."		Were over 62,000 words were added or deleted from the history of the Church? The endnote adds that LDS leaders claim that the "official history" is "the most accurate history in all the world."
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	*John Widtsoe, ''Joseph Smith-Seeker After Truth'', 297.		*John Widtsoe, ''Joseph Smith-Seeker After Truth'', 297.
	*Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Doctrines of Salvation'', vol. 2, 199.		*Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Doctrines of Salvation'', vol. 2, 199.
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	The minutes of a conference dealing with Sidney Rigdon discussed in Volume six of the ''History of the Church'' differs from the minutes originally printed in the ''Times and Seasons''.		The minutes of a conference dealing with Sidney Rigdon discussed in Volume six of the ''History of the Church'' differs from the minutes originally printed in the ''Times and Seasons''.
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	*''History of the Church'', vol. 6, 47-48.		*''History of the Church'', vol. 6, 47-48.
	*''Times and Seasons'', vol. 4, 330.		*''Times and Seasons'', vol. 4, 330.
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	{{misinformation\|The committee used publicly accessible documents, such as newspapers - it did not "spy" on members of the Church.		{{misinformation\|The committee used publicly accessible documents, such as newspapers - it did not "spy" on members of the Church.
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	*{{CriticalWork:Ostling:Mormon America\|pages=354}}		*{{CriticalWork:Ostling:Mormon America\|pages=354}}
	*Jerald and Sandra Tanner, ''Mormon Spies, Hughes, and the C.I.A.''		*Jerald and Sandra Tanner, ''Mormon Spies, Hughes, and the C.I.A.''

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	*See President G.A. Smith's response here: [http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/When_the_Prophet_Speaks_is_the_Thinking_Done.html Letter from President George Albert Smith to Dr. J. Raymond Cope, Dec. 7, 1945].		*See President G.A. Smith's response here: [http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/When_the_Prophet_Speaks_is_the_Thinking_Done.html Letter from President George Albert Smith to Dr. J. Raymond Cope, Dec. 7, 1945].
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	#*"Ward Teachers Message," ''Deseret News'', May 26, 1945, 5.		#"Ward Teachers Message," ''Deseret News'', May 26, 1945, 5.
	*''Improvement Era'', June 1945, 354.		*''Improvement Era'', June 1945, 354.
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	{{information\|The Church did excommunicate several people for a variety of reasons, however, the label "dissidents" was not used.		{{information\|The Church did excommunicate several people for a variety of reasons, however, the label "dissidents" was not used.
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	#*Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Mormon Inquisition?" LDS Leaders Move to Repress Rebellion," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' (#85), November 1993.		#Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Mormon Inquisition?" LDS Leaders Move to Repress Rebellion," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' (#85), November 1993.
	*Lavina Fielding Anderson, "The LDS Intellectual Community and Church Leadership: A Contemporary Chronology," ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought'' (Spring 1993), vol. 26.		*Lavina Fielding Anderson, "The LDS Intellectual Community and Church Leadership: A Contemporary Chronology," ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought'' (Spring 1993), vol. 26.
	*Paul Toscano, "All Is Not Well in Zion: Falsoe Teachings of the True Church" (1993), Sunstone Symposium lecture.		*Paul Toscano, "All Is Not Well in Zion: Falsoe Teachings of the True Church" (1993), Sunstone Symposium lecture.
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	{{propaganda\|The author has distorted President Hinckley's words. He never referred to anyone as "cursed servants of Satan."		{{propaganda\|The author has distorted President Hinckley's words. He never referred to anyone as "cursed servants of Satan."
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	#*Gordon B. Hinckley, "Prophet Pre-eminently Grateful for Testimony," ''LDS Church News'', April 8, 2000.		#Gordon B. Hinckley, "Prophet Pre-eminently Grateful for Testimony," ''LDS Church News'', April 8, 2000.
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	*[[../Use of sources/President Hinckley and enemies of the Church\|Use of sources:President Hinckley and enemies of the Church]]		*[[../Use of sources/President Hinckley and enemies of the Church\|Use of sources:President Hinckley and enemies of the Church]]
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	Does the ''Book of Mormon'' claim that Native Americans will miraculously turn "white-skinned" by accepting "Mormon beliefs"? Didn't Brigham Young and Spencer W. Kimball say that they would become "white and delightsome?"		Does the ''Book of Mormon'' claim that Native Americans will miraculously turn "white-skinned" by accepting "Mormon beliefs"? Didn't Brigham Young and Spencer W. Kimball say that they would become "white and delightsome?"
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	*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=53\|vol=7\|start=336}}		*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=53\|vol=7\|start=336}}
	*Spencer W. Kimball, ''Improvement Era'', December 1960, 922-923. Qjuoted in Bill McKeever and Eric Johnson, "Pure and Delightsome," ''Mormonism Researched'', Spring 1994, 5.		*Spencer W. Kimball, ''Improvement Era'', December 1960, 922-923. Qjuoted in Bill McKeever and Eric Johnson, "Pure and Delightsome," ''Mormonism Researched'', Spring 1994, 5.
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	Did the Church acquire the Hofmann documents (later discovered to be forgeries) in order to suppress them?		Did the Church acquire the Hofmann documents (later discovered to be forgeries) in order to suppress them?
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	#*Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Hofmann Talks," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' (#64), January 1987, 7.		#Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Hofmann Talks," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' (#64), January 1987, 7.
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	{{disinformation\|The Church never suppressed these documents. They talked about them publicly.		{{disinformation\|The Church never suppressed these documents. They talked about them publicly.
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	#*Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Mormon Leaders suppress 'Key' Item in Murder Case," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' (#83), November 1992, 3-4.		#Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Mormon Leaders suppress 'Key' Item in Murder Case," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' (#83), November 1992, 3-4.
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	{{disinformation\|LDS doctrine is very clear that prophets will ''not'' always know deception when they see it. For it to be otherwise would be to threaten moral agency. Said the Lord to Joseph Smith: "as you cannot always judge the righteous, or as you cannot always tell the wicked from the righteous, therefore I say unto you, hold your peace until I shall see fit to make all things known unto the world concerning the matter" ({{s\|\|DC\|10\|37}}).		{{disinformation\|LDS doctrine is very clear that prophets will ''not'' always know deception when they see it. For it to be otherwise would be to threaten moral agency. Said the Lord to Joseph Smith: "as you cannot always judge the righteous, or as you cannot always tell the wicked from the righteous, therefore I say unto you, hold your peace until I shall see fit to make all things known unto the world concerning the matter" ({{s\|\|DC\|10\|37}}).
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	#*Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 197.		#Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 197.
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	Do Latter-day Saints believe they will rescue the Constitution from ruin, thus allowing "Mormonism" to take over the world?		Do Latter-day Saints believe they will rescue the Constitution from ruin, thus allowing "Mormonism" to take over the world?
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	#*Joseph F. Smith, ''conference Report'', October 1912, 11.		#Joseph F. Smith, ''conference Report'', October 1912, 11.
	*Melvin J. Ballard, ''Conference Report'', October 1928, 108.		*Melvin J. Ballard, ''Conference Report'', October 1928, 108.
	*Mark E. Petersen, ''Conference Report'', April 1946, 171.		*Mark E. Petersen, ''Conference Report'', April 1946, 171.

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