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	{{misinformation\|Since many members of the Church have had distinguished service in government and apparently felt no conflict between their Church covenants and government service, this should perhaps alert the author (and his readers) the fact that he has misunderstood or misrepresented LDS doctrine and belief on this point.		{{misinformation\|Since many members of the Church have had distinguished service in government and apparently felt no conflict between their Church covenants and government service, this should perhaps alert the author (and his readers) the fact that he has misunderstood or misrepresented LDS doctrine and belief on this point.
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	* See and [[~~One_Nation_Under_Gods~~/Index/~~Chapter_15~~#332\|p. 332]] and [[~~One_Nation_Under_Gods~~/Index/~~Chapter_15~~#334\|p. 334]]		* See and [[One Nation Under Gods/Index/Chapter 15#332\|p. 332]] and [[One Nation Under Gods/Index/Chapter 15#334\|p. 334]]

	==Response to claim: 335-336 - Did the "oath of vengeance" require the Latter-day Saints instruct their descendants to take vengeance upon the U.S. government?==		==Response to claim: 335-336 - Did the "oath of vengeance" require the Latter-day Saints instruct their descendants to take vengeance upon the U.S. government?==
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	{{disinformation\|This claim is contradicted by LDS scripture: {{s\|\|DC\|98\|10-11}}, {{s\|\|DC\|101\|80}}, {{s\|\|DC\|134\|1-12}}.		{{disinformation\|This claim is contradicted by LDS scripture: {{s\|\|D&C\|98\|10-11}}, {{s\|\|D&C\|101\|80}}, {{s\|\|D&C\|134\|1-12}}.
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	* {{Offsite\|http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/Polygamy_Prophets_and_Prevarication.html#head02\|Illegality and civil disobedience}}		* {{Offsite\|http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/Polygamy_Prophets_and_Prevarication.html#head02\|Illegality and civil disobedience}}
	* {{InternalContradiction\|Despite quoting this material, the author then claims ([[~~One_Nation_Under_Gods~~/Index/~~Chapter_15~~#339.~~2C_593n32~~\|p. 339]] that 200 pages later in the testimony that Pres. Smith "finally admits" he has broken the law. Yet, he frankly admitted it right up front.}}		* {{InternalContradiction\|Despite quoting this material, the author then claims ([[One Nation Under Gods/Index/Chapter 15#339.2C 593n32\|p. 339]] that 200 pages later in the testimony that Pres. Smith "finally admits" he has broken the law. Yet, he frankly admitted it right up front.}}

	==Response to claim: 337, 593n20 - Did Joseph F. Smith authorize polygamous marriages in Mexico and request that the records stay there so that they wouldn't be found during a search by U.S. officials?==		==Response to claim: 337, 593n20 - Did Joseph F. Smith authorize polygamous marriages in Mexico and request that the records stay there so that they wouldn't be found during a search by U.S. officials?==
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	{{propaganda\|President Smith did not "finally admit" anything: He had been straightforward about it from the beginning. Two legal and moral demands were in conflict, and Pres. Smith chose to obey that which he saw as the higher, and was willing to suffer the penalty.		{{propaganda\|President Smith did not "finally admit" anything: He had been straightforward about it from the beginning. Two legal and moral demands were in conflict, and Pres. Smith chose to obey that which he saw as the higher, and was willing to suffer the penalty.
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	*{{InternalContradiction\|The author has already cited material ([[~~One_Nation_Under_Gods~~/Index/~~Chapter_15~~#336.~~2C_593n17~~\|p. 336]]) more than 200 pages earlier in the testimony that had Pres. Smith admitting that by cohabitation he violated the "law of the land" and the "rule of the Church."}}		*{{InternalContradiction\|The author has already cited material ([[One Nation Under Gods/Index/Chapter 15#336.2C 593n17\|p. 336]]) more than 200 pages earlier in the testimony that had Pres. Smith admitting that by cohabitation he violated the "law of the land" and the "rule of the Church."}}
	* [[../Use of sources/Joseph F. Smith finally admits\|Use of sources: Joseph F. Smith finally admits?]]		* [[../Use of sources/Joseph F. Smith finally admits\|Use of sources: Joseph F. Smith finally admits?]]
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	#The author quotes Bruce R. McConkie in ''Mormon Doctrine'': "[T]he holy practice will commence again after the Second Coming of the Son of Man and the ushering in of the millennium." Citation given is McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'' (Salt Lake City:Bookcraft, 1958; second edition, 1966), 578.		#The author quotes Bruce R. McConkie in ''Mormon Doctrine'': "[T]he holy practice will commence again after the Second Coming of the Son of Man and the ushering in of the millennium." Citation given is McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'' (Salt Lake City:Bookcraft, 1958; second edition, 1966), 578.
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	{{propaganda\|The author is claiming that the Church is ''white supremacist?'' This is an absurd claim.		{{propaganda\|The author is claiming that the Church is ''white supremacist?'' This is an absurd claim.
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	*{{InternalContradiction\|[[~~One_Nation_Under_Gods~~/Index/~~Chapter_16~~#370\|p. 370]] tells us that 'Mormons, by and large, were pleased that God had changed his mind at such a convenient time in history.' So, why were the Mormons happy about the revelation if their faith was composed of "underlying white supremacist beliefs"?}}		*{{InternalContradiction\|[[One Nation Under Gods/Index/Chapter 16#370\|p. 370]] tells us that 'Mormons, by and large, were pleased that God had changed his mind at such a convenient time in history.' So, why were the Mormons happy about the revelation if their faith was composed of "underlying white supremacist beliefs"?}}
	*[[../Absurd claims\|Absurd claims]]		*[[../Absurd claims\|Absurd claims]]
	*[[../Loaded and prejudicial language\|Loaded and prejudicial language]]		*[[../Loaded and prejudicial language\|Loaded and prejudicial language]]
	*See [[~~One_Nation_Under_Gods~~/Index/~~Chapter_16~~\|Chapter 16]] for much more of the same nonsense.		*See [[One Nation Under Gods/Index/Chapter 16\|Chapter 16]] for much more of the same nonsense.

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	Did Joseph F. Smith admit that he had broken the laws of the land and the laws of God?		Did Joseph F. Smith admit that he had broken the laws of the land and the laws of God?
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	*Multiple preceding citations regarding Joseph F. Smith either sanctioning or denying plural marriage.		*Multiple preceding citations regarding Joseph F. Smith either sanctioning or denying plural marriage.
	*''Proceedings'', vol. 1, 334-335		*''Proceedings'', vol. 1, 334-335

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	The author asserts that the concept of revenge played a "very prominent role" in early Latter-day Saints' beliefs. Doesn't the Bible condemn revenge?		The author asserts that the concept of revenge played a "very prominent role" in early Latter-day Saints' beliefs. Doesn't the Bible condemn revenge?
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	Did Joseph F. Smith authorize polygamous marriages in Mexico and request that the records stay there so that they wouldn't be found during a search by U.S. officials?		Did Joseph F. Smith authorize polygamous marriages in Mexico and request that the records stay there so that they wouldn't be found during a search by U.S. officials?
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	#*Cannon II, 207.		#Cannon II, 207.
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	{{information\|U.S. law does not apply to Mexico. Federal marshals have no jurisdiction over events which happened abroad.		{{information\|U.S. law does not apply to Mexico. Federal marshals have no jurisdiction over events which happened abroad.
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	* {{Offsite\|http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/Polygamy_Prophets_and_Prevarication.html#head08\|Lying about polygamy?}} (entire article)		* {{Offsite\|http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/Polygamy_Prophets_and_Prevarication.html#head08\|Lying about polygamy?}} (entire article)
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	#*Matthias Cowley, testimony before Quorum of the Twelve, 1911. Quoted in Samuel W. Taylor, ''Rocky Mountain Empire'', 131.		#Matthias Cowley, testimony before Quorum of the Twelve, 1911. Quoted in Samuel W. Taylor, ''Rocky Mountain Empire'', 131.
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	Did Reed Smoot lie that he had never heard a discussion of plural marriage in his meetings with the apostles and that he had never "advised the promulgation of the practice of polygamy?"		Did Reed Smoot lie that he had never heard a discussion of plural marriage in his meetings with the apostles and that he had never "advised the promulgation of the practice of polygamy?"
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	#*''Proceedings'', vol. 3, 204.		#''Proceedings'', vol. 3, 204.
	*D. Michael Quinn, "Plural Marriages After The 1890 Manifesto," lecture delivered August 1991 at Bluffdale, Utah.		*D. Michael Quinn, "Plural Marriages After The 1890 Manifesto," lecture delivered August 1991 at Bluffdale, Utah.
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	#*Reed Smoot, letter to E.H. Callister, March 22, 1904. Quoted in {{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy\|pages=167}}		#Reed Smoot, letter to E.H. Callister, March 22, 1904. Quoted in {{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy\|pages=167}}
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	Does the Church teach the the current practice of monogamy is only temporary and that polygamy will be reinstated when Christ returns?		Does the Church teach the the current practice of monogamy is only temporary and that polygamy will be reinstated when Christ returns?
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	#The author quotes Bruce R. McConkie in ''Mormon Doctrine'': "[T]he holy practice will commence again after the Second Coming of the Son of Man and the ushering in of the millennium." Citation given is McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'' (Salt Lake City:Bookcraft, 1958; second edition, 1966), 578.		#The author quotes Bruce R. McConkie in ''Mormon Doctrine'': "[T]he holy practice will commence again after the Second Coming of the Son of Man and the ushering in of the millennium." Citation given is McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'' (Salt Lake City:Bookcraft, 1958; second edition, 1966), 578.

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	* Note that this claim is from the excommunication hearing of former apostle Matthias Cowley.		* Note that this claim is from the excommunication hearing of former apostle Matthias Cowley.
	* {{Offsite\|http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/Polygamy_Prophets_and_Prevarication.html#head08\|Lying about polygamy?}} (entire article)		* {{Offsite\|http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/Polygamy_Prophets_and_Prevarication.html#head08\|Lying about polygamy?}} (entire article)
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