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	Brigham taught "blood atonement."		Brigham taught "blood atonement."
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	*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=10\|vol=4\|start=53\|end=54}}.		*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=10\|vol=4\|start=53\|end=54}}.
	*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=35\|vol=3\|start=247}}.		*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=35\|vol=3\|start=247}}.
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	Did Brigham Young and Heber C. Kimball encourage murder out of "love" in order to save people's souls?		Did Brigham Young and Heber C. Kimball encourage murder out of "love" in order to save people's souls?
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	*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=42\|vol=4\|start=219\|end=220}}		*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=42\|vol=4\|start=219\|end=220}}
	*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Heber C. Kimball\|disc=35\|vol=4\|start=173\|end=174}}		*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Heber C. Kimball\|disc=35\|vol=4\|start=173\|end=174}}
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	*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=8\|vol=3\|start=50}}		*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=8\|vol=3\|start=50}}
	*Note the typographical error in the quote "the Mormons" as opposed to "those Mormons" in the original source, indicating that the author's version of the quote may have been copied from a secondary source.		*Note the typographical error in the quote "the Mormons" as opposed to "those Mormons" in the original source, indicating that the author's version of the quote may have been copied from a secondary source.
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	[[../Use_of_sources/Ettie_V._Smith\|Mary Ettie V. Smith]] is not a reliable source.		[[../Use_of_sources/Ettie_V._Smith\|Mary Ettie V. Smith]] is not a reliable source.
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	*Quoted in Nelson Winch Green, ''Mormonism: its rise, progress, and present condition. Embracing the narrative of Mrs. [[../../Use_of_sources/Ettie_V._Smith\|Mary Ettie V. Smith]]'', 309.		*Quoted in Nelson Winch Green, ''Mormonism: its rise, progress, and present condition. Embracing the narrative of Mrs. [[../../Use_of_sources/Ettie_V._Smith\|Mary Ettie V. Smith]]'', 309.
	*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=14\|vol=1\|start=83}}		*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=14\|vol=1\|start=83}}
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	Were William Parrish and his son murdered as they attempted to leave Utah because leaving Utah was "forbidden"?		Were William Parrish and his son murdered as they attempted to leave Utah because leaving Utah was "forbidden"?
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	*Bigler, ''Forgotten Kingdom'', 131-132.		*Bigler, ''Forgotten Kingdom'', 131-132.
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	Were Henry Jones and his mother murdered by Nathaniel Case, Porter Rockwell and "other church officials"?		Were Henry Jones and his mother murdered by Nathaniel Case, Porter Rockwell and "other church officials"?
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	*Stout in Brooks, vol. 2, 653.		*Stout in Brooks, vol. 2, 653.
	*Nathaniel Case, affidavit of April 9, 1859, sworn before John Cradlebaugh, Judge 2nd Judicial District, Utah, reprinted in ''The Valley Tan'', April 19, 1859. Quoted in Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Blood Atonement: Fact or Fantasy?," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' (#92), April 1997, 13.		*Nathaniel Case, affidavit of April 9, 1859, sworn before John Cradlebaugh, Judge 2nd Judicial District, Utah, reprinted in ''The Valley Tan'', April 19, 1859. Quoted in Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Blood Atonement: Fact or Fantasy?," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' (#92), April 1997, 13.
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	Were "innumerable crimes" committed because of the speeches of Brigham Young and other LDS leaders?		Were "innumerable crimes" committed because of the speeches of Brigham Young and other LDS leaders?
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	*Baskin, ''Reminiscences of Early Utah'', 150.		*Baskin, ''Reminiscences of Early Utah'', 150.
	*Harold Schindler, ''Orrin Porter Rockwell: Man of God, Son of Thunder'', 268-279.		*Harold Schindler, ''Orrin Porter Rockwell: Man of God, Son of Thunder'', 268-279.
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	When Brigham Young visited the Mountain Meadows site in 1860 and saw the monument, did he order it to be demolished?		When Brigham Young visited the Mountain Meadows site in 1860 and saw the monument, did he order it to be demolished?
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	*{{CitationError}} The Wilford Woodruff journal date should be May 25, 1861.		*{{CitationError}} The Wilford Woodruff journal date should be May 25, 1861.
	*{{WWJ1\|vol=5\|start=577\|date=(under May 25, 1860)}}; cf. Brooks, ''Mountain Meadows'', 183.		*{{WWJ1\|vol=5\|start=577\|date=(under May 25, 1860)}}; cf. Brooks, ''Mountain Meadows'', 183.

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	* [[../../Notable omissions#226a\|Notable omissions: Orson Hyde on the USA]]		* [[../../Notable omissions#226a\|Notable omissions: Orson Hyde on the USA]]
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	#*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Orson Pratt\|disc=30\|vol=6\|start=204}}.		#{{JDfairwiki\|author=Orson Pratt\|disc=30\|vol=6\|start=204}}.
	*Brigham Young, "Manuscript History of Brigham Young," under July 8, 1849 and August 26, 1849, reprinted in William S. Harwell, ed., ''Manuscript History of Brigham Young, 1847-1850'', 221, 238.		*Brigham Young, "Manuscript History of Brigham Young," under July 8, 1849 and August 26, 1849, reprinted in William S. Harwell, ed., ''Manuscript History of Brigham Young, 1847-1850'', 221, 238.
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	* [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Early_federal_territorial_officials#Note_on_Abanes.27_secondary_source:_Bigler\|Bigler]], the author's source distorts and misrepresents LDS history on numerous counts.		* [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Early_federal_territorial_officials#Note_on_Abanes.27_secondary_source:_Bigler\|Bigler]], the author's source distorts and misrepresents LDS history on numerous counts.
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	#*David L. Bigler, ''Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West'', 1847-1896, 57-58.		#David L. Bigler, ''Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West'', 1847-1896, 57-58.
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	Broughton D. Harris, Lemuel G. Brandebury and Justice Perry Brocchus and other federal officials fled Utah because they feared for their lives.		Broughton D. Harris, Lemuel G. Brandebury and Justice Perry Brocchus and other federal officials fled Utah because they feared for their lives.
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	#*David L. Bigler, Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West, 1847-1896, 57-58.		#David L. Bigler, Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West, 1847-1896, 57-58.
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	{{disinformation\|This is false.		{{disinformation\|This is false.
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	David H. Burr reported that "Mr. Troskolowski," had been "assaulted and severely beaten by three men under the direction of one Hickman, a noted member of the so-called 'Danite Band.'" Was the beating order by LDS leaders because Troskolowski was attempting to ensure that twelve-year-old Emma Wheat escaped a planned marriage to a polygamist?		David H. Burr reported that "Mr. Troskolowski," had been "assaulted and severely beaten by three men under the direction of one Hickman, a noted member of the so-called 'Danite Band.'" Was the beating order by LDS leaders because Troskolowski was attempting to ensure that twelve-year-old Emma Wheat escaped a planned marriage to a polygamist?
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	#*David H. Burr, letter to Thomas A. Hendricks, General Land Office, August 30, 1856, located in the annual land reports of the General Land Office for 1856 and 1857; cf. Nels Anderson, ''Desert Saints: The Mormon Frontier in Utah'', 149.		#David H. Burr, letter to Thomas A. Hendricks, General Land Office, August 30, 1856, located in the annual land reports of the General Land Office for 1856 and 1857; cf. Nels Anderson, ''Desert Saints: The Mormon Frontier in Utah'', 149.
	*Hirshon, 127		*Hirshon, 127
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	Who were Brigham Young's "Destroying Angels"? Were Porter Rockwell and 'Wild' Bill Hickman the most notorious of these "Destroying Angels?"		Who were Brigham Young's "Destroying Angels"? Were Porter Rockwell and 'Wild' Bill Hickman the most notorious of these "Destroying Angels?"
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	#*Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Brigham Young and Wild Bill Hickman," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' (#77), February 1991.		#Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Brigham Young and Wild Bill Hickman," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' (#77), February 1991.
	*Hope A. Hilton, ''"Wild Bill" Hickman and the Mormon Frontier'', 65, 113.		*Hope A. Hilton, ''"Wild Bill" Hickman and the Mormon Frontier'', 65, 113.
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	*[[Danites/Danites in anti-Mormon polemic\|Danites in anti-Mormon polemic]]		*[[Danites/Danites in anti-Mormon polemic\|Danites in anti-Mormon polemic]]
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	#*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=26\|vol=6\|start=176}}.		#{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=26\|vol=6\|start=176}}.
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	*{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}		*{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
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	#*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Jedediah Grant\|disc=9\|vol=4\|start=49\|end=50}}		#{{JDfairwiki\|author=Jedediah Grant\|disc=9\|vol=4\|start=49\|end=50}}
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	The author states that Heber C. Kimball claimed that the apostles killed Judas.		The author states that Heber C. Kimball claimed that the apostles killed Judas.
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	#*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Heber C. Kimball\|disc=19\|vol=6\|start=125\|end=126}}		#{{JDfairwiki\|author=Heber C. Kimball\|disc=19\|vol=6\|start=125\|end=126}}
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	{{misinformation\|Heber did not claim the apostles carried out the killing. Heber's message is not about murder or the early apostles killing people—it is about the natural consequences of serious sin, and the need to keep covenants made with God, not with other mortals.		{{misinformation\|Heber did not claim the apostles carried out the killing. Heber's message is not about murder or the early apostles killing people—it is about the natural consequences of serious sin, and the need to keep covenants made with God, not with other mortals.
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	*[[Danites/Danites in anti-Mormon polemic\|Danites in anti-Mormon polemic]]		*[[Danites/Danites in anti-Mormon polemic\|Danites in anti-Mormon polemic]]
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	The author asserts that Richard Yates was killed for the sin of "trading with government personnel"		The author asserts that Richard Yates was killed for the sin of "trading with government personnel"
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	#*Hickman, 124-125.		#Hickman, 124-125.
	*Stout, in Brooks, vol. 2, 643.		*Stout, in Brooks, vol. 2, 643.
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	Did Brigham promise the Indians that they could have all the cattle in the Fancher wagon-train "if they would do away with the entire company"?		Did Brigham promise the Indians that they could have all the cattle in the Fancher wagon-train "if they would do away with the entire company"?
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	#*Dimick B. Huntington, "Dimick B. Huntington Journal," under September 1, 1857.		#Dimick B. Huntington, "Dimick B. Huntington Journal," under September 1, 1857.
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	{{disinformation\|Brigham offered the natives the approaching army's cattle if they would scatter it.		{{disinformation\|Brigham offered the natives the approaching army's cattle if they would scatter it.
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	*Did Brigham often make favorable comments about his "Destroying Angels?"		*Did Brigham often make favorable comments about his "Destroying Angels?"
	*Brigham said: "We have the meanest devils on the earth in our midst, and we intend to keep them, for we have use for them; and if the Devil does not look sharp, we will cheat him out of them at the last, for they will reform and go to heaven with us."		*Brigham said: "We have the meanest devils on the earth in our midst, and we intend to keep them, for we have use for them; and if the Devil does not look sharp, we will cheat him out of them at the last, for they will reform and go to heaven with us."
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