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	{{misinformation\|Many more than the Twelve had taken plural wives. Thirty-three men had taken plural wives by the martyrdom. <ref>{{CriticalWork:Smith:Nauvoo Polygamy\|pages=310}}</ref>		{{misinformation\|Many more than the Twelve had taken plural wives. Thirty-three men had taken plural wives by the martyrdom.<ref>{{CriticalWork:Smith:Nauvoo Polygamy\|pages=310}}</ref>
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	The author states that outsiders who were not "murdered or severely beaten" instead "whittled" out of town by Brigham's 'Whistling and Whittling Brigade.'" Was the "Whistling and Whittling Brigade" a "violent gang of Mormons" that were "in good standing with the church?"		The author states that outsiders who were not "murdered or severely beaten" instead "whittled" out of town by Brigham's 'Whistling and Whittling Brigade.'" Was the "Whistling and Whittling Brigade" a "violent gang of Mormons" that were "in good standing with the church?"
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	*William B. Pace, ''William B. Pace Autobiography''. Quoted in Dean Moody, "Nauvoo's Whistling and Whittling Brigade," ''BYU Studies'' (Summer 1975), vol. 15, 487. [http://byustudies.byu.edu/Products/MoreInfoPage/MoreInfo.aspx?Type=7&ProdID=1305 ''BYU Studies'' article PDF]]		*William B. Pace, ''William B. Pace Autobiography''. Quoted in Dean Moody, "Nauvoo's Whistling and Whittling Brigade," ''BYU Studies'' (Summer 1975), vol. 15, 487. [http://byustudies.byu.edu/Products/MoreInfoPage/MoreInfo.aspx?Type=7&ProdID=1305 ''BYU Studies'' article PDF]
	*{{CitationError}}: should be "Thurmon Dean Moody."		*{{CitationError}}: should be "Thurmon Dean Moody."
	*Jehiel Savage statement in minutes of the high council of James Strang's followers at Voree, Wisconsin, April 6, 1846.		*Jehiel Savage statement in minutes of the high council of James Strang's followers at Voree, Wisconsin, April 6, 1846.
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	{{propaganda\|The counterfeiting charges were likely [[../../~~Use_of_sources~~/~~Counterfeiting_apostles_and_Joseph~~\|a ploy]] to ensure that the Mormons left Nauvoo in 1846 as promised. Young's announcement that he would head west sent the message that they would not linger, which is what the local anti-Mormons wanted.		{{propaganda\|The counterfeiting charges were likely [[../../Use of sources/Counterfeiting apostles and Joseph\|a ploy]] to ensure that the Mormons left Nauvoo in 1846 as promised. Young's announcement that he would head west sent the message that they would not linger, which is what the local anti-Mormons wanted.
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	*S[olomon] N. Carvalho, ''Incidents of Travel and Adventure in the Far West; with Col. Fremont's Last Expedition'' 142-143.		*S[olomon] N. Carvalho, ''Incidents of Travel and Adventure in the Far West; with Col. Fremont's Last Expedition'' 142-143.
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	{{AuthorQuote\|"Although the exact number of murders committed by Mormons between 1844 and 1846 remains unknown, it is certain that a majority of them were handled by Danites Porter Rockwell, Hosea Stout, and Allen Stout."}}		{{AuthorQuote\|"Although the exact number of murders committed by Mormons between 1844 and 1846 remains unknown, it is certain that a majority of them were handled by Danites Porter Rockwell, Hosea Stout, and Allen Stout."}}
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	*''History of the Church'', vol. 7, 446-447.		*''History of the Church'', vol. 7, 446-447.
	*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=653}}		*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=653}}
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	The author states that outsiders who were not "murdered or severely beaten" instead "whittled" out of town by Brigham's 'Whistling and Whittling Brigade.'" Was the "Whistling and Whittling Brigade" a "violent gang of Mormons" that were "in good standing with the church?"		The author states that outsiders who were not "murdered or severely beaten" instead "whittled" out of town by Brigham's 'Whistling and Whittling Brigade.'" Was the "Whistling and Whittling Brigade" a "violent gang of Mormons" that were "in good standing with the church?"
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	*William B. Pace, ''William B. Pace Autobiography''. Quoted in Dean Moody, "Nauvoo's Whistling and Whittling Brigade," ''BYU Studies'' (Summer 1975), vol. 15, 487. [http://byustudies.byu.edu/Products/MoreInfoPage/MoreInfo.aspx?Type=7&ProdID=1305 ''BYU Studies'' article PDF]]		*William B. Pace, ''William B. Pace Autobiography''. Quoted in Dean Moody, "Nauvoo's Whistling and Whittling Brigade," ''BYU Studies'' (Summer 1975), vol. 15, 487. [http://byustudies.byu.edu/Products/MoreInfoPage/MoreInfo.aspx?Type=7&ProdID=1305 ''BYU Studies'' article PDF]]
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	The author claims that government records indicate that Brigham Young, Willard Richards, Parley Pratt, and Orson Hyde were involved in making counterfeit coins "under Joseph's leadership"?		The author claims that government records indicate that Brigham Young, Willard Richards, Parley Pratt, and Orson Hyde were involved in making counterfeit coins "under Joseph's leadership"?
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	*Jerald and Sandra Tanner, ''The Mormon Kingdom'', vol. 2, 51-64.		*Jerald and Sandra Tanner, ''The Mormon Kingdom'', vol. 2, 51-64.
	*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=127, 650-651}}		*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=127, 650-651}}
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	The author claims that Latter-day Saints believe that "they were the only ones with a legitimate right to be stewards of the Lord's property—i.e., all creation. Gentiles, on the other hand, because they had no claim to the earth, would have to give up to the Saints what they mistakenly viewed as their property."		The author claims that Latter-day Saints believe that "they were the only ones with a legitimate right to be stewards of the Lord's property—i.e., all creation. Gentiles, on the other hand, because they had no claim to the earth, would have to give up to the Saints what they mistakenly viewed as their property."
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	*S[olomon] N. Carvalho, ''Incidents of Travel and Adventure in the Far West; with Col. Fremont's Last Expedition'' 142-143.		*S[olomon] N. Carvalho, ''Incidents of Travel and Adventure in the Far West; with Col. Fremont's Last Expedition'' 142-143.

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	#*Marshall Hamilton, "From Assassination to Expulsion: Two Years of Distrust, Hostility, and Violence," in Launius and Hallwas, 216.		#Marshall Hamilton, "From Assassination to Expulsion: Two Years of Distrust, Hostility, and Violence," in Launius and Hallwas, 216.
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	The author claims that the Nauvoo police committed "many murders, vicious beatings, and intimidating assaults" against people that they thought to be enemies of the Church.		The author claims that the Nauvoo police committed "many murders, vicious beatings, and intimidating assaults" against people that they thought to be enemies of the Church.
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	#*Allen J. Stout, "Allen J. Stout Journal," under June 28, 1844, Utah State Historical Society, 14, online at <nowiki>http://www.math.byu.edu/~smithw/Lds/LDS/Early-Saints/AStout.html</nowiki>		#Allen J. Stout, "Allen J. Stout Journal," under June 28, 1844, Utah State Historical Society, 14, online at <nowiki>http://www.math.byu.edu/~smithw/Lds/LDS/Early-Saints/AStout.html</nowiki>
	*Hosea Stout, under February 22, 1845 and March 13, 1847, in Juanita Brooks, ed., ''On the Mormon Frontier: The Diary of Hosea Stout'', vol. 1, 22; 241.		*Hosea Stout, under February 22, 1845 and March 13, 1847, in Juanita Brooks, ed., ''On the Mormon Frontier: The Diary of Hosea Stout'', vol. 1, 22; 241.
	*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=151, 643}}		*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=151, 643}}
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	*Was "Mormon dissenter" Irvine Hodge "presumably" murdered by Nauvoo policemen because he threatened to "expose every Mormon who had been involved in stealing from non-Mormons" and threatened to harm Brigham Young and a Nauvoo policeman?		*Was "Mormon dissenter" Irvine Hodge "presumably" murdered by Nauvoo policemen because he threatened to "expose every Mormon who had been involved in stealing from non-Mormons" and threatened to harm Brigham Young and a Nauvoo policeman?
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	#*William Hall, ''The Abominations of Mormonism Exposed'', 31-34.		#William Hall, ''The Abominations of Mormonism Exposed'', 31-34.
	*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=217, 651}}		*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=217, 651}}
	*Brigham Young. Quoted on an undated page of statements by Jehiel Savage, Charles B. Thompson, George J. Adams, and Joseph Younger.		*Brigham Young. Quoted on an undated page of statements by Jehiel Savage, Charles B. Thompson, George J. Adams, and Joseph Younger.
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	The author asserts that members of the Council of Fifty responsible for committing murders.		The author asserts that members of the Council of Fifty responsible for committing murders.
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	#*Oliver B. Huntington, statement in "Seymour B. Young Diary," under May 23, 1903.		#Oliver B. Huntington, statement in "Seymour B. Young Diary," under May 23, 1903.
	*Clayton, under July 5, 1845.		*Clayton, under July 5, 1845.
	*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=179}}		*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=179}}
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	Brigham said: "We will roll on the Kingdom of our God, gather out the seed of Abraham, build the cities and temples of Zion, and establish the Kingdom of God to bear rule over all the earth."		Brigham said: "We will roll on the Kingdom of our God, gather out the seed of Abraham, build the cities and temples of Zion, and establish the Kingdom of God to bear rule over all the earth."
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	#*Young, July 8, 1855, in [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_2/The_Kingdom_of_God ''Journal of Discourses'', vol. 2, 317].		#Young, July 8, 1855, in [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_2/The_Kingdom_of_God ''Journal of Discourses'', vol. 2, 317].
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	{{misinformation\|Brigham did not have plans to rule the earth through the establishment of the Kingdom of God.		{{misinformation\|Brigham did not have plans to rule the earth through the establishment of the Kingdom of God.
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	*When Mary Ettie V. Smith recalled asked Brigham, "are you my Saviour?" she claims that Brigham said, "Most assuredly I am....You cannot enter the Celestial kingdom, except by my consent. Do you doubt it?"		*When Mary Ettie V. Smith recalled asked Brigham, "are you my Saviour?" she claims that Brigham said, "Most assuredly I am....You cannot enter the Celestial kingdom, except by my consent. Do you doubt it?"
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	#*Quoted in Nelson Winch Green, ''Mormonism: its rise, progress, and present condition. Embracing the narrative of Mrs. Mary Ettie V. Smith'', 201.		#Quoted in Nelson Winch Green, ''Mormonism: its rise, progress, and present condition. Embracing the narrative of Mrs. Mary Ettie V. Smith'', 201.
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	{{propaganda\|The source that claims this is notoriously unreliable.		{{propaganda\|The source that claims this is notoriously unreliable.

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	*The book claims that this had been a long-standing complaint about Saints in the area since eight issues of the ''Warsaw Signal'' published in late 1844 and early 1845 included articles related to "Mormon Thieves."		*The book claims that this had been a long-standing complaint about Saints in the area since eight issues of the ''Warsaw Signal'' published in late 1844 and early 1845 included articles related to "Mormon Thieves."
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	*[[../../Notable omissions#211\|Notable omissions: Warsaw Signal and Mormon thieves]]		*[[../../Notable omissions#211\|Notable omissions: Warsaw Signal and Mormon thieves]]
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