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	==Response to claim: 460, 616n8 - A temple in Missouri would be built "in this generation"==		==Response to claim: 460, 616n8 - A temple in Missouri would be built "in this generation"==
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	A temple in Missouri would be built "in this generation."		A temple in Missouri would be built "in this generation."
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	{{misinformation\|The author takes "this generation" to mean within the lifetime of those who lived when Joseph Smith was alive. Jesus Christ used the very same terminology in Matthew 24:34: "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." When the scriptures use words such as "this generation," "a little season," "nigh," "soon to come," "quickly," and "in due time," it can mean several years, or even centuries		{{misinformation\|The author takes "this generation" to mean within the lifetime of those who lived when Joseph Smith was alive. Jesus Christ used the very same terminology in Matthew 24:34: "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." When the scriptures use words such as "this generation," "a little season," "nigh," "soon to come," "quickly," and "in due time," it can mean several years, or even centuries
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	==Response to claim: 461 - The author claims that the Civil War prophecy was false==		==Response to claim: 461 - The author claims that the Civil War prophecy was false==
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	The United Order was claimed through revelation to be "everlasting," "immutable and unchangeable," "until I [Jesus] come."		The United Order was claimed through revelation to be "everlasting," "immutable and unchangeable," "until I [Jesus] come."
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	{{misinformation\|The United Order is an "everlasting" covenant because it comes from God, reflects his purposes, and is attended by promised blessings for all who obey. This does not mean—just as with biblical examples which use identical language—that "everlasting" is a prophecy about its practice or implementation.		{{misinformation\|The United Order is an "everlasting" covenant because it comes from God, reflects his purposes, and is attended by promised blessings for all who obey. This does not mean—just as with biblical examples which use identical language—that "everlasting" is a prophecy about its practice or implementation.
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	Joseph Smith prophesied that the Lord said: "I will fight your battles...the destroyer I have sent forth to destroy and lay waste mine enemies; and ''not many years hence'' they shall not be left to pollute mine heritage, and to blaspheme my name upon the lands which I have consecrated for the gathering together of my saints." The author claims that this is a failed prophecy.		Joseph Smith prophesied that the Lord said: "I will fight your battles...the destroyer I have sent forth to destroy and lay waste mine enemies; and ''not many years hence'' they shall not be left to pollute mine heritage, and to blaspheme my name upon the lands which I have consecrated for the gathering together of my saints." The author claims that this is a failed prophecy.
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	{{misinformation\|The Saints saw this prophecy fulfilled by the bloody frontier battles of the Civil War that rested more heavily on Missouri than almost any other area.		{{misinformation\|The Saints saw this prophecy fulfilled by the bloody frontier battles of the Civil War that rested more heavily on Missouri than almost any other area.
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	{{propaganda\|The statement from Joseph occurred around 1832 (see {{HC1\|vol=4\|start=375}} where Hyde dates this to "about nine years" before 1841).		{{propaganda\|The statement from Joseph occurred around 1832 (see {{HC1\|vol=4\|start=375}} where Hyde dates this to "about nine years" before 1841).

	The author's grasp of Zionism and Israeli history is poor. European Jews began immigrating in large numbers to Palestine in 1882, and immigration was already increasing from the 1840s-1880s. The "gathering of the Jews" began well before the establishment of the state of Israel, as the author appears to believe (see [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah here]]). The author does not believe that a dedication by Hyde has any effect, but he cannot prove that it did not, just as those with faith cannot ''prove'' that it did.		The author's grasp of Zionism and Israeli history is poor. European Jews began immigrating in large numbers to Palestine in 1882, and immigration was already increasing from the 1840s-1880s. The "gathering of the Jews" began well before the establishment of the state of Israel, as the author appears to believe (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah here]). The author does not believe that a dedication by Hyde has any effect, but he cannot prove that it did not, just as those with faith cannot ''prove'' that it did.
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	Joseph was sent to Salem, Massachusetts to receive "its wealth pertaining to gold and silver."		Joseph was sent to Salem, Massachusetts to receive "its wealth pertaining to gold and silver."
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	{{misinformation\|Joseph was already ''in'' Salem when D&C 111 was received; he was not "sent" there, but went on his own. The promises about Salem from D&C 111 were for a later time, and the Saints saw them as fulfilled soon thereafter.		{{misinformation\|Joseph was already ''in'' Salem when D&C 111 was received; he was not "sent" there, but went on his own. The promises about Salem from D&C 111 were for a later time, and the Saints saw them as fulfilled soon thereafter.
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	Joseph Smith gave a "failed prophecy" when he said that Thomas B. Marsh would be "exalted," and that he would preach "unto the ends of the earth."		Joseph Smith gave a "failed prophecy" when he said that Thomas B. Marsh would be "exalted," and that he would preach "unto the ends of the earth."
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	{{misinformation\|This was a conditional prophesy, which was not fulfilled in Marsh's case because of his apostasy.		{{misinformation\|This was a conditional prophesy, which was not fulfilled in Marsh's case because of his apostasy.
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	Joseph Smith prophesied that David W. Patten would go on a mission "next spring...to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto all the world."		Joseph Smith prophesied that David W. Patten would go on a mission "next spring...to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto all the world."
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	{{misinformation\|D&C 114 was not a prophecy, it was a mission call:		{{misinformation\|D&C 114 was not a prophecy, it was a mission call:
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	This material immediately precedes material on the coming of Christ already mentioned [[~~One_Nation_Under_Gods~~/Index/~~Appendix_B~~#464.~~2C_617n25~~-26\|above]]; it is clear from the context that Joseph was unclear about the date of the second coming of Christ.		This material immediately precedes material on the coming of Christ already mentioned [[One Nation Under Gods/Index/Appendix B#464.2C 617n25-26\|above]]; it is clear from the context that Joseph was unclear about the date of the second coming of Christ.
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	*Hyrum Smith. Quoted by Abraham O. Smoot, 1896, Provo School of the Prophets (see {{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=639}})		*Hyrum Smith. Quoted by Abraham O. Smoot, 1896, Provo School of the Prophets (see {{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=639}})
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	The book claims that the elect were to be gathered "against the day when tribulation and desolation are sent forth upon the wicked."		The book claims that the elect were to be gathered "against the day when tribulation and desolation are sent forth upon the wicked."
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	*B.H. Roberts, ''Comprehensive History of the Church'', vol. 1, 165.		*B.H. Roberts, ''Comprehensive History of the Church'', vol. 1, 165.
	*David Whitmer, ''An Address to All Believers in Christ'', 30-31.		*David Whitmer, ''An Address to All Believers in Christ'', 30-31.
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	Joseph Smith gave a "failed prophecy" when he said that Thomas B. Marsh would be "exalted," and that he would preach "unto the ends of the earth."		Joseph Smith gave a "failed prophecy" when he said that Thomas B. Marsh would be "exalted," and that he would preach "unto the ends of the earth."
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	==Response to claim: 460, 616n8 - A temple in Missouri would be built "in this generation"==		==Response to claim: 460, 616n8 - A temple in Missouri would be built "in this generation"==
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	==Response to claim: 461 - The author claims that the Civil War prophecy was false==		==Response to claim: 461 - The author claims that the Civil War prophecy was false==
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	#*Reed Peck, ''Reed Peck Manuscript'', 3.		#Reed Peck, ''Reed Peck Manuscript'', 3.
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	==Response to claim: 462, 617n14 - The United Order was claimed through revelation to be "everlasting," "immutable and unchangeable" until Jesus comes==		==Response to claim: 462, 617n14 - The United Order was claimed through revelation to be "everlasting," "immutable and unchangeable" until Jesus comes==
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	September 11, 1836 was "the appointed time for the redemption of Zion." The author claims that this is a failed prophecy.		September 11, 1836 was "the appointed time for the redemption of Zion." The author claims that this is a failed prophecy.
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	#*{{HC1\|vol=2\|start=145}}		#{{HC1\|vol=2\|start=145}}
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	{{misinformation\|The author fails to acknowledge that there were many conditionals placed on this prophecy—its fulfillment relied on the members' faithfulness.		{{misinformation\|The author fails to acknowledge that there were many conditionals placed on this prophecy—its fulfillment relied on the members' faithfulness.
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	*The author takes this from Quinn's chronology, but there is no additional context for the quote. There is no source listed by Quinn, and he likewise omits the qualifier to this prophecy.		*The author takes this from Quinn's chronology, but there is no additional context for the quote. There is no source listed by Quinn, and he likewise omits the qualifier to this prophecy.
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	#*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=634}}		#{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=634}}
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	*[[One Nation Under Gods/Use of sources/Attitude of Saints to Civil War prophecy\|Attitude of Saints to Civil War prophecy]]		*[[One Nation Under Gods/Use of sources/Attitude of Saints to Civil War prophecy\|Attitude of Saints to Civil War prophecy]]
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	#*Joseph Smith, ''MS'', vol. 22, 455; cf. Faulring, under December 16, 1843, 432.		#Joseph Smith, ''MS'', vol. 22, 455; cf. Faulring, under December 16, 1843, 432.
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	The wicked "of this generation" would be swept from the face of the land and the Lost Ten tribes would be gathered within Joseph Smith's generation.		The wicked "of this generation" would be swept from the face of the land and the Lost Ten tribes would be gathered within Joseph Smith's generation.
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	Joseph Smith prophesied that his enemies would be taken "in their own craftiness."		Joseph Smith prophesied that his enemies would be taken "in their own craftiness."
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	*Referring to the Relief Society, Joseph said "I now prophecy that before ten years shall roll around, the queens of the earth shall come and pay their respects to this Society." The author points out: "No queens have ever fulfilled this prophecy."		*Referring to the Relief Society, Joseph said "I now prophecy that before ten years shall roll around, the queens of the earth shall come and pay their respects to this Society." The author points out: "No queens have ever fulfilled this prophecy."
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	* The author omits key qualifying statements from Joseph's prophecy: see [[Joseph Smith/Prophecies/Queens to pay respect to Relief Society within ten years\|Queens to pay respect to Relief Society within ten years?]]		* The author omits key qualifying statements from Joseph's prophecy: see [[Joseph Smith/Prophecies/Queens to pay respect to Relief Society within ten years\|Queens to pay respect to Relief Society within ten years?]]
	*The author takes this from Quinn's chronology, but there is no additional context for the quote. There is no source listed by Quinn, and he likewise omits the qualifier to this prophecy.		*The author takes this from Quinn's chronology, but there is no additional context for the quote. There is no source listed by Quinn, and he likewise omits the qualifier to this prophecy.

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	*The book states that it was predicted that "the elect shall be gathered into one place 'against the day when tribulation and desolation are sent forth upon the wicked," yet "Mormons remain a scattered people."		\|claim=The book states that it was predicted that "the elect shall be gathered into one place 'against the day when tribulation and desolation are sent forth upon the wicked," yet "Mormons remain a scattered people."
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	*That "the hour is nigh and the day soon at hand" that Jesus Christ would return and the wicked would be destroyed.		\|claim=That "the hour is nigh and the day soon at hand" that Jesus Christ would return and the wicked would be destroyed.
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	*The Saints were to gather to Missouri and "gather riches and purchase an inheritance...where the wicked would not come." The book claims that the prophecy states that the wicked would "refuse to battle because of fearing the Mormons."		\|claim=The Saints were to gather to Missouri and "gather riches and purchase an inheritance...where the wicked would not come." The book claims that the prophecy states that the wicked would "refuse to battle because of fearing the Mormons."
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	*D&C 45: 64-74		*D&C 45: 64-74
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	{{:Question: Was Joseph Smith's prophecy that the Independence, Missouri temple "shall be reared in this generation" a failed prophecy?}}		{{:Question: Was Joseph Smith's prophecy that the Independence, Missouri temple "shall be reared in this generation" a failed prophecy?}}
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	*New York, Albany and Boston would be destroyed if they rejected the Gospel.		\|claim=New York, Albany and Boston would be destroyed if they rejected the Gospel.
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	*The "City of Zion" would never "be moved" from its place in Missouri.		\|claim=The "City of Zion" would never "be moved" from its place in Missouri.
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	*Joseph is claimed to have prophesied that "within three years they should march to Jackson County and there should not be a dog to open his mouth against them."		\|claim=Joseph is claimed to have prophesied that "within three years they should march to Jackson County and there should not be a dog to open his mouth against them."
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	*Reed Peck, ''Reed Peck Manuscript'', 3.		*Reed Peck, ''Reed Peck Manuscript'', 3.
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	{{:Question: Did Joseph Smith prophesy that the government would be overthrown and wasted?}}		{{:Question: Did Joseph Smith prophesy that the government would be overthrown and wasted?}}
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	*"While discussing the petition to Congress, I prophesied, by virtue of the holy Priesthood vested in me, and in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that, if Congress will not hear our petition and grant us protection, they shall be broken up as a government, and god shall damn them. and there shall nothing be left of them—not even a grease spot."		\|claim="While discussing the petition to Congress, I prophesied, by virtue of the holy Priesthood vested in me, and in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that, if Congress will not hear our petition and grant us protection, they shall be broken up as a government, and god shall damn them. and there shall nothing be left of them—not even a grease spot."
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	*[[Joseph Smith/Prophecies/Government to be overthrown and wasted\|Government to be overthrown and wasted]]		*[[Joseph Smith/Prophecies/Government to be overthrown and wasted\|Government to be overthrown and wasted]]
	*[[Joseph Smith/Prophecies/Civil War\|Civil War prophecy]]		*[[Joseph Smith/Prophecies/Civil War\|Civil War prophecy]]
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	*The book claims that Joseph prophesied that his "unborn child" would be named David and would become "church president and king over Israel."		\|claim=The book claims that Joseph prophesied that his "unborn child" would be named David and would become "church president and king over Israel."
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