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	*The author's "reply" to Dallin Oaks is a ''[[Logical_fallacies#Non_sequitur\|non sequitur]]''. Oaks (and Firmage and Mangrum) demonstrate at length that both Illinois and U.S. law had ample precedent in case law and practice for the abatement of the ''Expositor''.		*The author's "reply" to Dallin Oaks is a ''[[Logical_fallacies#Non_sequitur\|non sequitur]]''. Oaks (and Firmage and Mangrum) demonstrate at length that both Illinois and U.S. law had ample precedent in case law and practice for the abatement of the ''Expositor''.
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	*The author completely ignores the primary documents on this issue, and relies only on Law's hostile, and demonstrably false, account.		*The author completely ignores the primary documents on this issue, and relies only on Law's hostile, and demonstrably false, account.
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	#*Smith, ''Intimate Chronicle'', xlix-l.		#Smith, ''Intimate Chronicle'', xlix-l.
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	\|claim=The author mentions that Andrew Jenson published about plural wives, only to have Wilford Woodruff complain about him having done so. The author has continuously argued that the Church has striven to hide or suppress knowledge of polygamy.		\|claim=The author mentions that Andrew Jenson published about plural wives, only to have Wilford Woodruff complain about him having done so. The author has continuously argued that the Church has striven to hide or suppress knowledge of polygamy.
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	*He does not tell us that the reason Woodruff was worried was because at the time (1887) federal marshals were pursuing and jailing polygamists and their wives who refused to testify. Woodruff was trying to keep members out of jail, not trying to suppress polygamy.		*He does not tell us that the reason Woodruff was worried was because at the time (1887) federal marshals were pursuing and jailing polygamists and their wives who refused to testify. Woodruff was trying to keep members out of jail, not trying to suppress polygamy.
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	\|claim=Joseph F. Smith wrote to Orson Pratt that a “few years ago [I] tried to get affidavits regarding Joseph Smith and ‘celestial marriage.’ . . . I was astonished at the scarcity of evidence. I might say almost total absence of direct evidence upon the subject as connected with the prophet Joseph himself.”		\|claim=Joseph F. Smith wrote to Orson Pratt that a “few years ago [I] tried to get affidavits regarding Joseph Smith and ‘celestial marriage.’ . . . I was astonished at the scarcity of evidence. I might say almost total absence of direct evidence upon the subject as connected with the prophet Joseph himself.”
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	#*Joseph F. Smith to Orson Pratt Sr., 19 July 1875, Joseph F. Smith Letterbooks, Ms d 1325, Joseph F. Smith Collection, Church History Library and Archives.		#Joseph F. Smith to Orson Pratt Sr., 19 July 1875, Joseph F. Smith Letterbooks, Ms d 1325, Joseph F. Smith Collection, Church History Library and Archives.
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	\|claim=The author implies that Latter-day Saints "accepted as sufficient" that Joseph Smith's death was "due to an angry mob, without caring to know specifically what those Illinois neighbors had been angry about."		\|claim=The author implies that Latter-day Saints "accepted as sufficient" that Joseph Smith's death was "due to an angry mob, without caring to know specifically what those Illinois neighbors had been angry about."
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	#*The author lists these works but does not give page numbers.		#The author lists these works but does not give page numbers.
	#Brigham H. Roberts, ''A Comprehensive History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints'' (Provo, UT: BYU Press, 1965).		#Brigham H. Roberts, ''A Comprehensive History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints'' (Provo, UT: BYU Press, 1965).
	#Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Essentials in Church History: A History of the Church from the Birth of Joseph Smith to the Present Time (1922), with Introductory Chapters on the Antiquity of the Gospel and The “Falling Away”'' (Salt Lake City: Deseret News Press, 1922).		#Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Essentials in Church History: A History of the Church from the Birth of Joseph Smith to the Present Time (1922), with Introductory Chapters on the Antiquity of the Gospel and The “Falling Away”'' (Salt Lake City: Deseret News Press, 1922).
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	#*Kenneth W. Godfrey, “Causes of [Mormon ''sic''] Non-Mormon Conflict in Hancock County, Illinois, 1839–1846” (PhD diss., Brigham Young University, 1967), chap 7.		#Kenneth W. Godfrey, “Causes of [Mormon ''sic''] Non-Mormon Conflict in Hancock County, Illinois, 1839–1846” (PhD diss., Brigham Young University, 1967), chap 7.
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	*{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy\|pages=135}}		#*{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy\|pages=135}}
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	*He does not tell us that the reason Woodruff was worried was because at the time (1887) federal marshals were pursuing and jailing polygamists and their wives who refused to testify. Woodruff was trying to keep members out of jail, not trying to suppress polygamy.		*He does not tell us that the reason Woodruff was worried was because at the time (1887) federal marshals were pursuing and jailing polygamists and their wives who refused to testify. Woodruff was trying to keep members out of jail, not trying to suppress polygamy.
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	*Joseph F. Smith to Orson Pratt Sr., 19 July 1875, Joseph F. Smith Letterbooks, Ms d 1325, Joseph F. Smith Collection, Church History Library and Archives.		#*Joseph F. Smith to Orson Pratt Sr., 19 July 1875, Joseph F. Smith Letterbooks, Ms d 1325, Joseph F. Smith Collection, Church History Library and Archives.
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	*The author lists these works but does not give page numbers.		#*The author lists these works but does not give page numbers.
	#Brigham H. Roberts, ''A Comprehensive History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints'' (Provo, UT: BYU Press, 1965).		#Brigham H. Roberts, ''A Comprehensive History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints'' (Provo, UT: BYU Press, 1965).
	#Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Essentials in Church History: A History of the Church from the Birth of Joseph Smith to the Present Time (1922), with Introductory Chapters on the Antiquity of the Gospel and The “Falling Away”'' (Salt Lake City: Deseret News Press, 1922).		#Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Essentials in Church History: A History of the Church from the Birth of Joseph Smith to the Present Time (1922), with Introductory Chapters on the Antiquity of the Gospel and The “Falling Away”'' (Salt Lake City: Deseret News Press, 1922).
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	*Kenneth W. Godfrey, “Causes of [Mormon ''sic''] Non-Mormon Conflict in Hancock County, Illinois, 1839–1846” (PhD diss., Brigham Young University, 1967), chap 7.		#*Kenneth W. Godfrey, “Causes of [Mormon ''sic''] Non-Mormon Conflict in Hancock County, Illinois, 1839–1846” (PhD diss., Brigham Young University, 1967), chap 7.
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