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	*The statement comes from the Joseph Robinson journal, but the statement is not from Robinson—it is from Joseph Smith. The author recognized this in an earlier article. <ref>{{Dialogue1\|author=George D. Smith\|article=Nauvoo Roots of Mormon Polygamy, 1841–46: A Preliminary Demographic Report\|vol=27\|num=1\|date=Spring 1994\|start=26}}</ref>		*The statement comes from the Joseph Robinson journal, but the statement is not from Robinson—it is from Joseph Smith. The author recognized this in an earlier article. <ref>{{Dialogue1\|author=George D. Smith\|article=Nauvoo Roots of Mormon Polygamy, 1841–46: A Preliminary Demographic Report\|vol=27\|num=1\|date=Spring 1994\|start=26}}</ref>
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	*The statement comes from the Joseph Robinson journal, but the statement is not from Robinson—it is from Joseph Smith. The author recognized this in an earlier article. <ref>{{Dialogue1\|author=George D. Smith\|article=Nauvoo Roots of Mormon Polygamy, 1841–46: A Preliminary Demographic Report\|vol=27\|num=1\|date=Spring 1994\|start=26}}</ref>		*The statement comes from the Joseph Robinson journal, but the statement is not from Robinson—it is from Joseph Smith. The author recognized this in an earlier article. <ref>{{Dialogue1\|author=George D. Smith\|article=Nauvoo Roots of Mormon Polygamy, 1841–46: A Preliminary Demographic Report\|vol=27\|num=1\|date=Spring 1994\|start=26}}</ref>
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	*[[Polygamy/Requirement for exaltation\|Polygamy a requirement for exaltation?]]		*[[Polygamy/Requirement for exaltation\|Polygamy a requirement for exaltation?]]
	*[[The_only_men_who_become_gods_are_those_that_practice_polygamy%3F\|Brigham Young: is polygamy essential to salvation?]]		*[[The_only_men_who_become_gods_are_those_that_practice_polygamy%3F\|Brigham Young: is polygamy essential to salvation?]]
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	*The author misconstrues and misrepresents the statements cited.		*The author misconstrues and misrepresents the statements cited.
	*[[Joseph Smith/Polygamy/Polygamists are to go beyond normal "bounds"\|Polygamists are to go beyond normal "bounds"?]]		*[[Joseph Smith/Polygamy/Polygamists are to go beyond normal "bounds"\|Polygamists are to go beyond normal "bounds"?]]
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	====366 - "Elizabeth [Whitney] was arranging conjugal visits between her daughter, Sarah Ann, and [Joseph]…."====		====366 - "Elizabeth [Whitney] was arranging conjugal visits between her daughter, Sarah Ann, and [Joseph]…."====
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	*Fanny Alger certainly caused problems in Ohio. There is no good evidence, however, that Joseph had "woman problems" in New York or Missouri.		*Fanny Alger certainly caused problems in Ohio. There is no good evidence, however, that Joseph had "woman problems" in New York or Missouri.
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	====408 - Was Joseph arrested after the destruction of the ''Nauvoo Expositor'' for violating "freedom of the press"?====		====408 - Was Joseph arrested after the destruction of the ''Nauvoo Expositor'' for violating "freedom of the press"?====
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	*[[../../Presentism#.22Freedom_of_the_press.22]]		*[[../../Presentism#.22Freedom_of_the_press.22]]

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	*The author ignores the nuances of LDS thought on this, both before and after the Manifesto.		*The author ignores the nuances of LDS thought on this, both before and after the Manifesto.
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	*The author does nothing to compare the 19th-century LDS practice of marriage with Victorian marriage in general.		*The author does nothing to compare the 19th-century LDS practice of marriage with Victorian marriage in general.
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	*The statement comes from the Joseph Robinson journal, but the statement is not from Robinson—it is from Joseph Smith. The author recognized this in an earlier article. <ref>{{Dialogue1\|author=George D. Smith\|article=Nauvoo Roots of Mormon Polygamy, 1841–46: A Preliminary Demographic Report\|vol=27\|num=1\|date=Spring 1994\|start=26}}</ref>		*The statement comes from the Joseph Robinson journal, but the statement is not from Robinson—it is from Joseph Smith. The author recognized this in an earlier article. <ref>{{Dialogue1\|author=George D. Smith\|article=Nauvoo Roots of Mormon Polygamy, 1841–46: A Preliminary Demographic Report\|vol=27\|num=1\|date=Spring 1994\|start=26}}</ref>
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	*Did Joseph flee from three states because he had been suspected of "suspicious relationships with young women?"		\|claim=Did Joseph flee from three states because he had been suspected of "suspicious relationships with young women?"
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	*Fanny Alger certainly caused problems in Ohio. There is no good evidence, however, that Joseph had "woman problems" in New York or Missouri.		*Fanny Alger certainly caused problems in Ohio. There is no good evidence, however, that Joseph had "woman problems" in New York or Missouri.
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