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	{{misinformation\|The author here over-simplifies an extremely complex issue, with no references or argument. See:		{{misinformation\|The author here over-simplifies an extremely complex issue, with no references or argument. See:
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	*{{GLS-Nauvoo Polygamy-FARMS}}		*{{GLS-Nauvoo Polygamy-FARMS}}
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	#*''History of the Church'' 6:222–223.		#''History of the Church'' 6:222–223.
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	*[[Joseph Smith/Polygamy/Children of polygamous marriages]]		*[[Joseph Smith/Polygamy/Children of polygamous marriages]]
	\|authorsources=<br>		\|authorsources=<br>
	#*The Life & Testimony of Mary Lightner (Salt Lake City: Kraut's Pioneer Press, n.d.); "Mary E. Lightner's Testimony, As Delivered at Brigham Young University)," [punctuation ''sic''] Apr. 14, 1905, 41-42, complied by N.B. Lundwall, LDS Archives, at Bancroft Library, University of California, Berkeley.		#The Life & Testimony of Mary Lightner (Salt Lake City: Kraut's Pioneer Press, n.d.); "Mary E. Lightner's Testimony, As Delivered at Brigham Young University)," [punctuation ''sic''] Apr. 14, 1905, 41-42, complied by N.B. Lundwall, LDS Archives, at Bancroft Library, University of California, Berkeley.
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	*[[Polygamy book/John C. Bennett\|John C. Bennett]]		*[[Polygamy book/John C. Bennett\|John C. Bennett]]
	\|authorsources=<br>		\|authorsources=<br>
	#*Bennett, ''History of the Saints'', 228-31; "Workings of Mormonism Related by Mrs. Orson Pratt," 1884, LDS Archives.		#Bennett, ''History of the Saints'', 228-31; "Workings of Mormonism Related by Mrs. Orson Pratt," 1884, LDS Archives.
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	*[[../../Mind reading]]		*[[../../Mind reading]]
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	#*Cordelia Morley Cox, Autobiographical statement, Mar. 17, 1909, Perry Special Collections.		#Cordelia Morley Cox, Autobiographical statement, Mar. 17, 1909, Perry Special Collections.
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	*{{GLS-Nauvoo Polygamy-FARMS}}		*{{GLS-Nauvoo Polygamy-FARMS}}
	\|authorsources=<br>		\|authorsources=<br>
	#*No source provided.		#No source provided.
	{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Eliza Winters}}		{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Eliza Winters}}
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	* [[Temples/Baptism for the dead\|Vicarious ordinances]]		* [[Temples/Baptism for the dead\|Vicarious ordinances]]
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	#*No source provided.		#No source provided.
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	{{misinformation\|Joseph did not direct them to marry the women. None did so. Joseph reported that God said that "It is my will, ''that in time'', ye should take unto you wives of the Lamanites and Nephites…." (italics added). That this might entail plural marriage was only realized three years later when Joseph was asked about it. None of the missionaries in 1831 understood the plural marriage implication.		{{misinformation\|Joseph did not direct them to marry the women. None did so. Joseph reported that God said that "It is my will, ''that in time'', ye should take unto you wives of the Lamanites and Nephites…." (italics added). That this might entail plural marriage was only realized three years later when Joseph was asked about it. None of the missionaries in 1831 understood the plural marriage implication.
	\|authorsources=<br>		\|authorsources=<br>
	#*No source provided.		#No source provided.
	*{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Early knowledge}}		*{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Early knowledge}}
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	#*No source provided.		#No source provided.
	{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Love_letters_Whitney}}		{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Love_letters_Whitney}}
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	*[[Joseph Smith/Polygamy/Emma Smith/Eliza R. Snow and the stairs\|Emma, Eliza, and the stairs]]		*[[Joseph Smith/Polygamy/Emma Smith/Eliza R. Snow and the stairs\|Emma, Eliza, and the stairs]]
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	#*No source provided.		#No source provided.
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	*[[Polygamy book/Initiation of the practice]]		*[[Polygamy book/Initiation of the practice]]
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	#*No source provided.		#No source provided.
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	\|L10=Response to claim: 198 - there existed a "conflict of interests between building a church community" and Joseph's "continuing affection for young women"		\|L10=Response to claim: 198 - there existed a "conflict of interests between building a church community" and Joseph's "continuing affection for young women"
	\|L11=Response to claim: 198 - Joseph was "pursuing" Helen Mar Kimball		\|L11=Response to claim: 198 - Joseph was "pursuing" Helen Mar Kimball
			\|L12=Response to claim: 201 Helen Mar Kimball expected her marriage to Joseph Smith to be a ceremony 'for eternity only,' not an actual marriage involving physical relations
			\|L13=Response to claim: 201 - Helen Mar Kimball was surprised to discover that marriage included "a physical union"
			\|L14=Response to claim: 201 - Helen "put her ambivalent feelings into verse in her 'Reminiscences'"
			\|L15=Response to claim: 205 Brigham Young married his cousin Rhoda Richard
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	====201====		==Response to claim: 201 Helen Mar Kimball expected her marriage to Joseph Smith to be a ceremony 'for eternity only,' not an actual marriage involving physical relations==
	{{IndexClaimItemShort		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy		\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy
	\|claim=Helen's biographer concludes that she 'expected her marriage to Joseph Smith' to be a ceremony 'for eternity only,' not an actual marriage involving physical relations.		\|claim=Helen's biographer concludes that she 'expected her marriage to Joseph Smith' to be a ceremony 'for eternity only,' not an actual marriage involving physical relations.
			\|authorsources=<br>
			#{{CriticalWork:Compton:Sacred Loneliness\|pages=500}}
			}}
			{{misinformation\|There is no evidence for physical relations in Helen's marriage to Joseph. The source cited, Compton, does not agree with the author's reading: “there is absolutely no evidence that there was any sexuality in the marriage, and I suggest that, following later practice in Utah, there may have been no sexuality. All the evidence points to this marriage as a primarily dynastic marriage.” <ref>Todd M. Compton, “Response to Tanners,” post to LDS Bookshelf mailing list (no date), <http://www.lds-mormon.com/compton.shtml> (accessed 2 December 2008). Compare with Smith, ''Nauvoo Polygamy'', 198–202, 302, 362 and Compton, ''In Sacred Loneliness'', 14.</ref>
	}}		}}
	*There is no evidence for physical relations in Helen's marriage to Joseph. The source cited, Compton, does not agree with the author's reading: “there is absolutely no evidence that there was any sexuality in the marriage, and I suggest that, following later practice in Utah, there may have been no sexuality. All the evidence points to this marriage as a primarily dynastic marriage.” <ref>Todd M. Compton, “Response to Tanners,” post to LDS Bookshelf mailing list (no date), <http://www.lds-mormon.com/compton.shtml> (accessed 2 December 2008). Compare with Smith, ''Nauvoo Polygamy'', 198–202, 302, 362 and Compton, ''In Sacred Loneliness'', 14.</ref>
	*{{GLS-Nauvoo Polygamy-FARMS}}		*{{GLS-Nauvoo Polygamy-FARMS}}
	*[[Joseph Smith and polygamy/Helen Mar Kimball]]		*[[Joseph Smith and polygamy/Helen Mar Kimball]]
	~~\|authorsources=<br>~~
	~~#*{{CriticalWork:Compton:Sacred Loneliness\|pages=500}}~~		==Response to claim: 201 - Helen Mar Kimball was surprised to discover that marriage included "a physical union"==
	}}
	====201====
	{{IndexClaimItemShort		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy		\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy
	\|claim=The author claims that Helen Mar Kimball was surprised to discover "that it included [marriage for] time also: a physical union at age fourteen with a thirty-seven year-old man."		\|claim=The author claims that Helen Mar Kimball was surprised to discover "that it included [marriage for] time also: a physical union at age fourteen with a thirty-seven year-old man."
			\|authorsources=<br>
			#{{CriticalWork:Compton:Sacred Loneliness\|pages=500}}
			}}
			{{misinformation\|The author again distorts the source. The surprise was not in finding that she needed to have "a physical union," but that she was regarded as married, and so could not date others her age while Joseph was alive.
	}}		}}
	*The author again distorts the source. The surprise was not in finding that she needed to have "a physical union," but that she was regarded as married, and so could not date others her age while Joseph was alive.
	*[[Joseph Smith/Polygamy/Helen Mar Kimball]]		*[[Joseph Smith/Polygamy/Helen Mar Kimball]]
	*{{GLS-Nauvoo Polygamy-FARMS}}		*{{GLS-Nauvoo Polygamy-FARMS}}
	~~\|authorsources=<br>~~
	~~#*{{CriticalWork:Compton:Sacred Loneliness\|pages=500}}~~		==Response to claim: 201 - Helen "put her ambivalent feelings into verse in her 'Reminiscences'"==
	}}
	====201====
	{{IndexClaimItemShort		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy		\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy
	\|claim={{AuthorQuote\|"As she put her ambivalent feelings into verse in her "Reminiscences," Helen had "thought through this life my time will be my own," but "the step I am now taking's for eternity alone." She saw her "youthful friends grow shy and cold" as "poisonous darts from sland'rous tongues were hurled." She was "bar'd out from social scenes by this destiny," and faced "sad'nd mem'ries of sweet departed joys"}}		\|claim={{AuthorQuote\|"As she put her ambivalent feelings into verse in her "Reminiscences," Helen had "thought through this life my time will be my own," but "the step I am now taking's for eternity alone." She saw her "youthful friends grow shy and cold" as "poisonous darts from sland'rous tongues were hurled." She was "bar'd out from social scenes by this destiny," and faced "sad'nd mem'ries of sweet departed joys"}}
			\|authorsources=<br>
			#Stanley B. Kimball, ''Heber C. Kimball: Mormon Patriarch and Pioneer'' (Ubana: University of Illinois Press, 1981): 109-110.
			}}
			{{misinformation\|This poem in fact demonstrates the author's misrepresentation of the facts. Helen's concern was indeed that she was "bar'd out from social scenes"—she could not date while married. This does not mean, however, that there were sexual relations, and the author's source agrees. In addition to hiding Compton's conclusion, the author does not tell us that his Kimball source likewise concluded that the marriage with Helen was “unconsummated.”
	}}		}}
	*This poem in fact demonstrates the author's misrepresentation of the facts. Helen's concern was indeed that she was "bar'd out from social scenes"—she could not date while married. This does not mean, however, that there were sexual relations, and the author's source agrees.
	*In addition to hiding Compton's conclusion, the author does not tell us that his Kimball source likewise concluded that the marriage with Helen was “unconsummated.”
	*[[Joseph Smith/Polygamy/Helen Mar Kimball]]		*[[Joseph Smith/Polygamy/Helen Mar Kimball]]
	*{{GLS-Nauvoo Polygamy-FARMS}}		*{{GLS-Nauvoo Polygamy-FARMS}}
	~~\|authorsources=<br>~~
	~~#*Stanley B. Kimball, ''Heber C. Kimball: Mormon Patriarch and Pioneer'' (Ubana: University of Illinois Press, 1981): 109-110.~~
	}}

	====205====		==Response to claim: 205 Brigham Young married his cousin Rhoda Richard==
	{{IndexClaimItemShort		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy		\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy
	\|claim={{AuthorQuote\|"That [Rhoda Richards] was her husband Brigham's cousin was apparently secondary to the grander scheme of interlocking the hierarchy in marriage."}}		\|claim={{AuthorQuote\|"That [Rhoda Richards] was her husband Brigham's cousin was apparently secondary to the grander scheme of interlocking the hierarchy in marriage."}}
			\|authorsources=<br>
			#No source provided.
			}}
			{{misinformation\|Here the author again relies on presentism to provide a hostile interpretive lens. It was not unusual for first cousins to marry. Nineteen of the present-day states permit unrestricted marriage between first cousins, and most countries have no restrictions at all on marriage between cousins. In its exploitation of the presentist fallacy, the author’s remark is utterly irrelevant in its historical context.
	}}		}}
	*Here the author again relies on presentism to provide a hostile interpretive lens. It was not unusual for first cousins to marry. Nineteen of the present-day states permit unrestricted marriage between first cousins, and most countries have no restrictions at all on marriage between cousins. In its exploitation of the presentist fallacy, the author’s remark is utterly irrelevant in its historical context.
	*{{GDS-See also\|5\|325}}		*{{GDS-See also\|5\|325}}
	*[[../../Presentism]]		*[[../../Presentism]]
	~~\|authorsources=<br>~~
	~~#*No source provided.~~
	}}

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	\|L8=Response to claim: 193 - Joseph Smith promised Lucy Walker "that if she prayed, she would receive her own personal manifestation from God, which she reported she received"		\|L8=Response to claim: 193 - Joseph Smith promised Lucy Walker "that if she prayed, she would receive her own personal manifestation from God, which she reported she received"
	\|L9=Response to claim: 196 - financial and marital issues, "especially concerning the Lawrence sisters" would eventually "inflame public opinion" and result in Joseph's arrest		\|L9=Response to claim: 196 - financial and marital issues, "especially concerning the Lawrence sisters" would eventually "inflame public opinion" and result in Joseph's arrest
			\|L10=Response to claim: 198 - there existed a "conflict of interests between building a church community" and Joseph's "continuing affection for young women"
			\|L11=Response to claim: 198 - Joseph was "pursuing" Helen Mar Kimball
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	====198====		==Response to claim: 198 - there existed a "conflict of interests between building a church community" and Joseph's "continuing affection for young women"==
	{{IndexClaimItemShort		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy		\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy
	\|claim=The author speculates that there existed a "conflict of interests between building a church community and [Joseph's] continuing affection for young women."		\|claim=The author speculates that there existed a "conflict of interests between building a church community and [Joseph's] continuing affection for young women."
			\|authorsources=<br>
			#No source provided.
			}}
			{{propaganda\|Smith commonly exploits the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_(literary_and_historical_analysis) presentist fallacy] in the matter of Joseph's wives' ages.
	}}		}}
	*Smith commonly exploits the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_(literary_and_historical_analysis) presentist fallacy] in the matter of Joseph's wives' ages.
	*[[Polygamy book/Age of wives\|Age of wives]]		*[[Polygamy book/Age of wives\|Age of wives]]
	*[[../../Presentism]]		*[[../../Presentism]]
	~~\|authorsources=<br>~~
	~~#*No source provided.~~
	{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Age_wives}}		{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Age_wives}}
	}}
	====198====		==Response to claim: 198 - Joseph was "pursuing" Helen Mar Kimball==
	{{IndexClaimItemShort		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy		\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy
	\|claim=The author claims that Joseph was "pursuing" Helen Mar Kimball.		\|claim=The author claims that Joseph was "pursuing" Helen Mar Kimball.
			\|authorsources=<br>
			#No source provided.
	}}		}}
			{{propaganda}}
	*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language]]		*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language]]
	*[[Joseph Smith/Polygamy/Helen Mar Kimball]]		*[[Joseph Smith/Polygamy/Helen Mar Kimball]]
	~~\|authorsources=<br>~~
	~~#*No source provided.~~
	{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Womanizing and romance}}		{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Womanizing and romance}}
	}}
	====201====		====201====
	{{IndexClaimItemShort		{{IndexClaimItemShort

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	{{propaganda\|The author again gives no hint that the Mormons were being anything but "presumptuous," when in fact the legal arguments of the day were likely in their favor.		{{propaganda\|The author again gives no hint that the Mormons were being anything but "presumptuous," when in fact the legal arguments of the day were likely in their favor.
			\|authorsources=<br>
			#The author cites chapter 2 of the present work. However, no argument or justification for this claim is provided in the previous chapter either.
	}}		}}
	*[[City of Nauvoo/City charter]]		*[[City of Nauvoo/City charter]]
	*[[City of Nauvoo/City charter/Usurpation of power]]		*[[City of Nauvoo/City charter/Usurpation of power]]
	~~\|authorsources=<br>~~
	~~#The author cites chapter 2 of the present work. However, no argument or justification for this claim is provided in the previous chapter either.~~
	{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Nauvoo city charter}}		{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Nauvoo city charter}}
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	\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy		\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy
	\|claim=The author claims that it is "interesting" that ''The Peace Maker'', a non-member's defence of polygamy, "appeared during the hiatus in the erstwhile marriage frenzy of 1842 and while Smith's apostles were traveling the countryside to counter Bennett's words and deny polygamy."		\|claim=The author claims that it is "interesting" that ''The Peace Maker'', a non-member's defence of polygamy, "appeared during the hiatus in the erstwhile marriage frenzy of 1842 and while Smith's apostles were traveling the countryside to counter Bennett's words and deny polygamy."
			\|authorsources=<br>
			#Lawrence Foster, "A Little-Known Defense of Polygamy from the Mormon Press in 1842," ''Dialogue'' 9 (Winter 1974): 21–34.
	}}		}}
	*The author does not discuss the many differences between The Peace Maker and LDS doctrine.		*The author does not discuss the many differences between The Peace Maker and LDS doctrine.
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	** Kenneth W. Godfrey, “Causes of Mormon Non-Mormon Conflict in Hancock County, Illinois, 1839–1846” (PhD diss., Brigham Young University, 1967), 96-97.		** Kenneth W. Godfrey, “Causes of Mormon Non-Mormon Conflict in Hancock County, Illinois, 1839–1846” (PhD diss., Brigham Young University, 1967), 96-97.
	** {{RSR\|start=445\|end=446}}		** {{RSR\|start=445\|end=446}}
	~~\|authorsources=<br>~~
	~~#*Lawrence Foster, "A Little-Known Defense of Polygamy from the Mormon Press in 1842," ''Dialogue'' 9 (Winter 1974): 21–34.~~
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	\|L1=		\|L1=Response to claim: 159 - Orson Pratt, Sidney Rigdon, and Ebenezer Robinson "declined to affirm Smith's good character"
			\|L2=Response to claim: 160 - Governor Carlin described the Nauvoo statute on writs as an "extraordinary assumption of power….most absurd and ridiculous"
			\|L3=Response to claim: 161 - The Nauvoo charter is claimed to be "the basis for this presumption of independence from state jurisdiction"
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	====159====		==Response to claim: 159 - Orson Pratt, Sidney Rigdon, and Ebenezer Robinson "declined to affirm Smith's good character"==
	{{IndexClaimItemShort		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy		\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy
	\|claim={{AuthorQuote\|"several days after Orson Pratt, Sidney Rigdon, and Ebenezer Robinson declined to affirm Smith's good character…."}}		\|claim={{AuthorQuote\|"several days after Orson Pratt, Sidney Rigdon, and Ebenezer Robinson declined to affirm Smith's good character…."}}
	\|authorsources=<br>		\|authorsources=<br>
	#*''History of the Church'' 5:125, 139.		#''History of the Church'' 5:125, 139.
	}}		}}
	{{misinformation\|The three were Pratt, Rigdon, and '''George W.''' Robinson, not Ebenezer. (See Manuscript History, 29 August 1842; ''History of the Church'' 5:139; Faulring, ''American Prophet's Record'', 254).		{{misinformation\|The three were Pratt, Rigdon, and '''George W.''' Robinson, not Ebenezer. (See Manuscript History, 29 August 1842; ''History of the Church'' 5:139; Faulring, ''American Prophet's Record'', 254).
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	====160====		==Response to claim: 160 - Governor Carlin described the Nauvoo statute on writs as an "extraordinary assumption of power….most absurd and ridiculous"==
	{{IndexClaimItemShort		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy		\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy
	\|claim=Governor Carlin described the Nauvoo statute on writs as an "extraordinary assumption of power….most absurd and ridiculous…[a] gross usurpation of power that cannot be tolerated."		\|claim=Governor Carlin described the Nauvoo statute on writs as an "extraordinary assumption of power….most absurd and ridiculous…[a] gross usurpation of power that cannot be tolerated."
	}}		}}
	*Carlin may not have agreed, but this does not mean that the law was reckless or irresponsible.		{{propaganda\|Carlin may not have agreed, but this does not mean that the law was reckless or irresponsible.
			}}
	*[[City of Nauvoo/City charter]]		*[[City of Nauvoo/City charter]]
	*[[City of Nauvoo/City charter/Usurpation of power]]		*[[City of Nauvoo/City charter/Usurpation of power]]
	\|authorsources=<br>		\|authorsources=<br>
	#*''History of the Church'' 5:153-55.		#''History of the Church'' 5:153-55.
	{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Nauvoo city charter}}		{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Nauvoo city charter}}
	}}		}}
	====161====
			==Response to claim: 161 - The Nauvoo charter is claimed to be "the basis for this presumption of independence from state jurisdiction"==
	{{IndexClaimItemShort		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy		\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy
	\|claim=The Nauvoo charter is claimed to be "the basis for this presumption of independence from state jurisdiction…."		\|claim=The Nauvoo charter is claimed to be "the basis for this presumption of independence from state jurisdiction…."
	}}		}}
	*The author again gives no hint that the Mormons were being anything but "presumptuous," when in fact the legal arguments of the day were likely in their favor.		{{propaganda\|The author again gives no hint that the Mormons were being anything but "presumptuous," when in fact the legal arguments of the day were likely in their favor.
			}}
	*[[City of Nauvoo/City charter]]		*[[City of Nauvoo/City charter]]
	*[[City of Nauvoo/City charter/Usurpation of power]]		*[[City of Nauvoo/City charter/Usurpation of power]]
	\|authorsources=<br>		\|authorsources=<br>
	#*The author cites chapter 2 of the present work. However, no argument or justification for this claim is provided in the previous chapter either.		#The author cites chapter 2 of the present work. However, no argument or justification for this claim is provided in the previous chapter either.
	{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Nauvoo city charter}}		{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Nauvoo city charter}}
	}}		}}