Criticism of Mormonism/Books/Nauvoo Polygamy/Chapter 2a - Revision history

GregSmith: bot use legacy Detail template

2024-05-31T07:04:31Z

bot use legacy Detail template

GregSmith: Bot replace {{FairMormon}} with {{Main Page}} and remove extra lines around {{Header}}, replaced: -- → — (2)

2024-04-13T20:14:25Z

Bot replace {{FairMormon}} with {{Main Page}} and remove extra lines around {{Header}}, replaced: -- → — (2)

← Older revision		Revision as of 20:14, 13 April 2024
Line 1:		Line 1:
	{{~~FairMormon~~}}		{{Main Page}}
	{{H1		{{H1
	\|L=Criticism of Mormonism/Books/Nauvoo Polygamy/Chapter 2a		\|L=Criticism of Mormonism/Books/Nauvoo Polygamy/Chapter 2a
Line 31:		Line 31:
	\|L14=Response to claim: 111 - "This is not to suggest that Smith necessarily visited the library"		\|L14=Response to claim: 111 - "This is not to suggest that Smith necessarily visited the library"
	\|L15=Response to claim: 111 - "when he began dictating the Book of Mormon, published accounts of Napoleon and his foray into Egypt would have been available"		\|L15=Response to claim: 111 - "when he began dictating the Book of Mormon, published accounts of Napoleon and his foray into Egypt would have been available"
	\|L16=Response to claim: 110 – 111 n. 150 -- Joseph "translated some of the hieroglyphics by means of his white seer stone to produce 'an alphabet…grammar of the Egyptian language'"		\|L16=Response to claim: 110 – 111 n. 150—Joseph "translated some of the hieroglyphics by means of his white seer stone to produce 'an alphabet…grammar of the Egyptian language'"
	\|L17=Response to claim: 112 - "a scholar" in 1823 "rightly concluded that these American symbols 'appear to have had little or nothing in common with those of the Egyptians'"		\|L17=Response to claim: 112 - "a scholar" in 1823 "rightly concluded that these American symbols 'appear to have had little or nothing in common with those of the Egyptians'"
	\|L18=Response to claim: 112- we should review what was known of the language of ancient Egyptian, not only in 1823 when Smith began to anticipate the Book of Mormon's 'reformed Egyptian records'"		\|L18=Response to claim: 112- we should review what was known of the language of ancient Egyptian, not only in 1823 when Smith began to anticipate the Book of Mormon's 'reformed Egyptian records'"
Line 315:		Line 315:
	{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Fallacy of probability}}		{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Fallacy of probability}}

	==Response to claim: 110 – 111 n. 150 -- Joseph "translated some of the hieroglyphics by means of his white seer stone to produce 'an alphabet…grammar of the Egyptian language'"==		==Response to claim: 110 – 111 n. 150—Joseph "translated some of the hieroglyphics by means of his white seer stone to produce 'an alphabet…grammar of the Egyptian language'"==
	{{IndexClaimItemShort		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy		\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy

RogerNicholson at 04:41, 24 October 2017

2017-10-24T04:41:26Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 04:41, 24 October 2017
Line 1:		Line 1:
	{{FairMormon}}		{{FairMormon}}
	{{H1		{{H1
	\|L=Criticism of Mormonism/Books/Nauvoo Polygamy~~/Index~~/Chapter 2a		\|L=Criticism of Mormonism/Books/Nauvoo Polygamy/Chapter 2a
	\|H=Response to claims made in "Chapter 2" (pp. 81-158)		\|H=Response to claims made in "Chapter 2" (pp. 81-158)
	\|S=		\|S=
Line 13:		Line 13:
	<onlyinclude>		<onlyinclude>
	{{H2		{{H2
	\|L=Criticism of Mormonism/Books/Nauvoo Polygamy~~/Index~~/Chapter 2a		\|L=Criticism of Mormonism/Books/Nauvoo Polygamy/Chapter 2a
	\|H=Response to claims made in Nauvoo Polygamy, "Chapter 2" (pp. 81-158)		\|H=Response to claims made in Nauvoo Polygamy, "Chapter 2" (pp. 81-158)
	\|S=		\|S=

RogerNicholson: RogerNicholson moved page Criticism of Mormonism/Books/Nauvoo Polygamy/Index/Chapter 2a to Criticism of Mormonism/Books/Nauvoo Polygamy/Chapter 2a

2017-10-24T04:41:11Z

RogerNicholson moved page Criticism of Mormonism/Books/Nauvoo Polygamy/Index/Chapter 2a to Criticism of Mormonism/Books/Nauvoo Polygamy/Chapter 2a

← Older revision	Revision as of 04:41, 24 October 2017
(No difference)

RogerNicholson: /* Response to claim: 138 - The author talks about Joseph's letter to the Whitneys again: "Three weeks after the wedding, Joseph took steps to spend some time with his newest bride"== */

2017-10-14T15:08:03Z

Response to claim: 138 - The author talks about Joseph's letter to the Whitneys again: "Three weeks after the wedding, Joseph took steps to spend some time with his newest bride"==

← Older revision		Revision as of 15:08, 14 October 2017
Line 566:		Line 566:
	{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Censorship}} -->		{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Censorship}} -->

	==Response to claim: 138 - The author talks about Joseph's letter to the Whitneys ''again'': "Three weeks after the wedding, Joseph took steps to spend some time with his newest bride"====		==Response to claim: 138 - The author talks about Joseph's letter to the Whitneys ''again'': "Three weeks after the wedding, Joseph took steps to spend some time with his newest bride"==
	{{IndexClaimItemShort		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy		\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy

RogerNicholson: /* Response to claim; 133 - "Most convincing of all is to think that these stories [about Emma] were circulating widely and Eliza never bothered to clarify or refute them" */

2017-10-14T15:07:52Z

Response to claim; 133 - "Most convincing of all is to think that these stories [about Emma] were circulating widely and Eliza never bothered to clarify or refute them"

← Older revision		Revision as of 15:07, 14 October 2017
Line 542:		Line 542:
	{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Stairs}}		{{CriticalWorks:Smith:Nauvoo_Polygamy:See_also:Stairs}}

	==Response to claim; 133 - "Most convincing of all is to think that these stories ~~[about Emma]~~ were circulating widely and Eliza never bothered to clarify or refute them"==		==Response to claim; 133 - "Most convincing of all is to think that these stories were circulating widely and Eliza never bothered to clarify or refute them"==
	{{IndexClaimItemShort		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|claim=		\|claim=

RogerNicholson at 15:07, 14 October 2017

2017-10-14T15:07:32Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 15:07, 14 October 2017
Line 45:		Line 45:
	\|L28=Response to claim: 119 - "This apparent backdating was an attempt to discredit Bennett"		\|L28=Response to claim: 119 - "This apparent backdating was an attempt to discredit Bennett"
	\|L29=Response to claim: 129-134 - Emma Smith pushing Eliza Snow down the stairs		\|L29=Response to claim: 129-134 - Emma Smith pushing Eliza Snow down the stairs
	\|L30=Response to claim: 131 n. 195 - The author cites ''BYU Studies'' on Emma and Eliza, but does not disclose that those authors find that the story is not plausible		\|L30=Response to claim: 131 n. 195 - The author cites BYU Studies on Emma and Eliza, but does not disclose that those authors find that the story is not plausible
	\|L31=Response to claim: 132 - The author cites Newel and Avery, ''Mormon Enigma'' without acknowledging or engaging their arguments against the story of Emma and Eliza		\|L31=Response to claim: 132 - The author cites Newel and Avery, Mormon Enigma without acknowledging or engaging their arguments against the story of Emma and Eliza
	\|L32=Response to claim; 133 - "Most convincing of all is to think that these stories ~~[about Emma]~~ were circulating widely and Eliza never bothered to clarify or refute them"		\|L32=Response to claim; 133 - "Most convincing of all is to think that these stories were circulating widely and Eliza never bothered to clarify or refute them"
	\|L33=Response to claim: 138 - The author talks about Joseph's letter to the Whitneys ''again'': "Three weeks after the wedding, Joseph took steps to spend some time with his newest bride"		\|L33=Response to claim: 138 - The author talks about Joseph's letter to the Whitneys ''again'': "Three weeks after the wedding, Joseph took steps to spend some time with his newest bride"
	\|L34=Response to claim: 142 - "he made complicated arrangements for a visit from his fifteenth plural wife, Sarah Ann Whitney"		\|L34=Response to claim: 142 - "he made complicated arrangements for a visit from his fifteenth plural wife, Sarah Ann Whitney"

RogerNicholson at 15:06, 14 October 2017

2017-10-14T15:06:08Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 15:06, 14 October 2017
Line 32:		Line 32:
	\|L15=Response to claim: 111 - "when he began dictating the Book of Mormon, published accounts of Napoleon and his foray into Egypt would have been available"		\|L15=Response to claim: 111 - "when he began dictating the Book of Mormon, published accounts of Napoleon and his foray into Egypt would have been available"
	\|L16=Response to claim: 110 – 111 n. 150 -- Joseph "translated some of the hieroglyphics by means of his white seer stone to produce 'an alphabet…grammar of the Egyptian language'"		\|L16=Response to claim: 110 – 111 n. 150 -- Joseph "translated some of the hieroglyphics by means of his white seer stone to produce 'an alphabet…grammar of the Egyptian language'"
	\|L17=Response to claim: 112 - "a scholar" in 1823 "rightly concluded that these American ~~[Indian]~~ symbols 'appear to have had little or nothing in common with those of the Egyptians'"		\|L17=Response to claim: 112 - "a scholar" in 1823 "rightly concluded that these American symbols 'appear to have had little or nothing in common with those of the Egyptians'"
	\|L18=Response to claim: 112- we should review what was known of the language of ancient Egyptian, not only in 1823 when Smith began to anticipate the Book of Mormon's 'reformed Egyptian records'"		\|L18=Response to claim: 112- we should review what was known of the language of ancient Egyptian, not only in 1823 when Smith began to anticipate the Book of Mormon's 'reformed Egyptian records'"
	\|L19=Response to claim: 112 - Joseph Smith made an association of Native American pictographs with 'reformed Egyptian'		\|L19=Response to claim: 112 - Joseph Smith made an association of Native American pictographs with 'reformed Egyptian'
Line 326:		Line 326:
	*{{Detail\|Book of Abraham/Joseph Smith Papyri/Kirtland Egyptian Papers\|l1=Kirtland_Egyptian_Papers}}		*{{Detail\|Book of Abraham/Joseph Smith Papyri/Kirtland Egyptian Papers\|l1=Kirtland_Egyptian_Papers}}

	==Response to claim: 112 - "a scholar" in 1823 "rightly concluded that these American ~~[Indian]~~ symbols 'appear to have had little or nothing in common with those of the Egyptians'"==		==Response to claim: 112 - "a scholar" in 1823 "rightly concluded that these American symbols 'appear to have had little or nothing in common with those of the Egyptians'"==
	{{IndexClaimItemShort		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy		\|title=Nauvoo Polygamy

RogerNicholson at 15:05, 14 October 2017

2017-10-14T15:05:22Z

Show changes

FairMormonBot: Bot: Automated text replacement (-{{IndexClaim\n +{{IndexClaimItemShort\n)

2017-10-14T04:10:11Z

Bot: Automated text replacement (-{{IndexClaim\n +{{IndexClaimItemShort\n)

← Older revision		Revision as of 04:10, 14 October 2017
Line 130:		Line 130:
	}} -->		}} -->
	==Response to claim: 92 - Sarah Pratt is claimed to have reported in 1886 that Lucinda had told her nearly forty-five years earlier in 1842 that she was Joseph Smith's mistress "since four years"==		==Response to claim: 92 - Sarah Pratt is claimed to have reported in 1886 that Lucinda had told her nearly forty-five years earlier in 1842 that she was Joseph Smith's mistress "since four years"==
	{{~~IndexClaim~~		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|claim=Sarah Pratt is claimed to have reported in 1886 that Lucinda had told her nearly forty-five years earlier in 1842: "Why[,] I am his [Smith's] mistress since four years."		\|claim=Sarah Pratt is claimed to have reported in 1886 that Lucinda had told her nearly forty-five years earlier in 1842: "Why[,] I am his [Smith's] mistress since four years."
	\|authorsources=		\|authorsources=
Line 253:		Line 253:

	==Response to claim: 110-111 - "When Napoleon invaded Egypt in 1798 and exposed the world to then-indecipherable ancient writings...The...rental library, within five miles of the Smith family farm, had acquired a volume on Napoleon"==		==Response to claim: 110-111 - "When Napoleon invaded Egypt in 1798 and exposed the world to then-indecipherable ancient writings...The...rental library, within five miles of the Smith family farm, had acquired a volume on Napoleon"==
	{{~~IndexClaim~~		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|claim=		\|claim=
	{{AuthorQuote\|"When Napoleon invaded Egypt in 1798 and exposed the world to then-indecipherable ancient writings, Europe and the United States became fascinated with Egyptian artifacts. Egyptian hieroglyphics, like the origin of Native American tribes, were mysteries of the times, sometimes regarded as clues to Indian Origins."}}		{{AuthorQuote\|"When Napoleon invaded Egypt in 1798 and exposed the world to then-indecipherable ancient writings, Europe and the United States became fascinated with Egyptian artifacts. Egyptian hieroglyphics, like the origin of Native American tribes, were mysteries of the times, sometimes regarded as clues to Indian Origins."}}
Line 324:		Line 324:

	====112====		====112====
	{{~~IndexClaim~~		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|claim=		\|claim=
	The author assumes that Joseph Smith made an association of Native American pictographs with 'reformed Egyptian.'		The author assumes that Joseph Smith made an association of Native American pictographs with 'reformed Egyptian.'
Line 375:		Line 375:

	====114====		====114====
	{{~~IndexClaim~~		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|claim=		\|claim=
	The author presumes that Joseph "coalesced astronomy, biblical mystery, ancient Egyptian writing, and Masonic ritual into portentous ceremony for his followers."		The author presumes that Joseph "coalesced astronomy, biblical mystery, ancient Egyptian writing, and Masonic ritual into portentous ceremony for his followers."
Line 402:		Line 402:

	====116====		====116====
	{{~~IndexClaim~~		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|claim=		\|claim=
	Marinda Johnson "met Joseph while he was retranslating the Bible with Sidney Rigdon in her parents' home in 1831."		Marinda Johnson "met Joseph while he was retranslating the Bible with Sidney Rigdon in her parents' home in 1831."
Line 483:		Line 483:

	<!-- ====131-132====		<!-- ====131-132====
	{{~~IndexClaim~~		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|claim=		\|claim=
	The author notes that "…historian Fawn M. Brodie thought the documentation was strong enough to include it in her biography of Smith."		The author notes that "…historian Fawn M. Brodie thought the documentation was strong enough to include it in her biography of Smith."
Line 495:		Line 495:

	====131 n. 195====		====131 n. 195====
	{{~~IndexClaim~~		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|claim=		\|claim=
	The author cites ''BYU Studies'' on Emma and Eliza, but does not disclose that those authors find that the story is not plausible.		The author cites ''BYU Studies'' on Emma and Eliza, but does not disclose that those authors find that the story is not plausible.
Line 517:		Line 517:

	====133====		====133====
	{{~~IndexClaim~~		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|claim=		\|claim=
	The author assumes rumors are evidence: "Most convincing of all is to think that these stories [about Emma] were circulating widely and Eliza never bothered to clarify or refute them."		The author assumes rumors are evidence: "Most convincing of all is to think that these stories [about Emma] were circulating widely and Eliza never bothered to clarify or refute them."
Line 529:		Line 529:

	====137====		====137====
	{{~~IndexClaim~~		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|claim=		\|claim=
	Censorship is again implied, when the author notes that the ''History of the Church'' "reports the day's activities…without a hint of a wedding" to Sarah Ann Whitney.		Censorship is again implied, when the author notes that the ''History of the Church'' "reports the day's activities…without a hint of a wedding" to Sarah Ann Whitney.
Line 559:		Line 559:

	====139====		====139====
	{{~~IndexClaim~~		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|claim=		\|claim=
	The book claims that in an "extraordinary move, the Nauvoo City Council issued an ordinance limiting the power of state courts and claiming the right to review and dismiss future writs."		The book claims that in an "extraordinary move, the Nauvoo City Council issued an ordinance limiting the power of state courts and claiming the right to review and dismiss future writs."
Line 570:		Line 570:

	====142====		====142====
	{{~~IndexClaim~~		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|claim=		\|claim=
	The author really wants readers to understand Joseph's letter to the Whitneys:		The author really wants readers to understand Joseph's letter to the Whitneys:
Line 607:		Line 607:

	====147====		====147====
	{{~~IndexClaim~~		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|claim=		\|claim=
	Referring yet again to the Whitney letter, the author notes: "Invites Whitneys to visit, Sarah Ann to 'comfort me' if Emma not there. Invitation accepted."		Referring yet again to the Whitney letter, the author notes: "Invites Whitneys to visit, Sarah Ann to 'comfort me' if Emma not there. Invitation accepted."
Line 632:		Line 632:

	====149====		====149====
	{{~~IndexClaim~~		{{IndexClaimItemShort
	\|claim=		\|claim=
	The author assumes that Sidney Rigdon "was in many ways a mentor to Joseph."		The author assumes that Sidney Rigdon "was in many ways a mentor to Joseph."