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	\|mistake=The author ignores the Hancock testimony of a marriage ceremony with Fanny Alger. The author responded by claiming that the reviewer of ''Nauvoo Polygamy'' offers no documentation for evidence of a marriage between Joseph and Fanny Alger in Kirtland. See: [http://www.signaturebooks.com/pluralmarriage.htm?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1234200952&sr=1-1 Joseph Smith Had "Conjugal Relations" with Eight Plural Wives, Says FARMS], ''Signature Books'' web site, March 25, 2009.		\|mistake=The author ignores the Hancock testimony of a marriage ceremony with Fanny Alger. The author responded by claiming that the reviewer of ''Nauvoo Polygamy'' offers no documentation for evidence of a marriage between Joseph and Fanny Alger in Kirtland. See: [http://www.signaturebooks.com/pluralmarriage.htm?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1234200952&sr=1-1 Joseph Smith Had "Conjugal Relations" with Eight Plural Wives, Says FARMS], ''Signature Books'' web site, March 25, 2009.
	\|facts=The publisher's response continues to ignore the Hancock testimony. The review states that the book's author "virtually ignores, however, the data that [Todd] Compton clearly considers the most important—the Mosiah Hancock autobiography, in which Hancock reports that "Father gave her [Fanny] to Joseph repeating the Ceremony as Joseph repeated to him." <ref>Mosiah F. Hancock, Autobiography, MS 570, ~~LDS~~ Church Archives, 61–62; Todd Compton, "Fanny Alger Smith Custer: Mormonism's First Plural Wife?" Journal of Mormon History 22/1 (Spring 1996): 189–90. The author of ''Nauvoo Polygamy'' says only (in a footnote) that "Compton, Sacred Loneliness, 33, 646, draws from a late reminiscence by Mosiah Hancock to suggest that Smith married Alger in early 1833" (p. 41 n. 90).</ref>		\|facts=The publisher's response continues to ignore the Hancock testimony. The review states that the book's author "virtually ignores, however, the data that [Todd] Compton clearly considers the most important—the Mosiah Hancock autobiography, in which Hancock reports that "Father gave her [Fanny] to Joseph repeating the Ceremony as Joseph repeated to him." <ref>Mosiah F. Hancock, Autobiography, MS 570, Church Archives, 61–62; Todd Compton, "Fanny Alger Smith Custer: Mormonism's First Plural Wife?" Journal of Mormon History 22/1 (Spring 1996): 189–90. The author of ''Nauvoo Polygamy'' says only (in a footnote) that "Compton, Sacred Loneliness, 33, 646, draws from a late reminiscence by Mosiah Hancock to suggest that Smith married Alger in early 1833" (p. 41 n. 90).</ref>
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	This may be true, but the author contradicts himself elsewhere: p. xv: Nauvoo was "a more or less insignificant river town". Yet, Nauvoo was ultimately largest city in the entire state except for Chicago. <ref>{{MormonExperience\|pages=69}}</ref>		This may be true, but the author contradicts himself elsewhere: p. xv: Nauvoo was "a more or less insignificant river town". Yet, Nauvoo was ultimately largest city in the entire state except for Chicago.<ref>{{MormonExperience\|pages=69}}</ref>
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	It is claimed that Joseph revealed "God's rule" that "no one can reject [polygamy] and enter into my glory" (D&C 132, 51, 52, 54).		It is claimed that Joseph revealed "God's rule" that "no one can reject [polygamy] and enter into my glory" (D&C 132, 51, 52, 54).
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	{{misinformation\|The author ignores the many problems which have been pointed out with Quinn's "magick" argument. Chief among these is that (as even Quinn admits), "according to the standard contemporary interpretations of astrology, Joseph was born under Saturn, not Jupiter." Quinn's only source for this claim is an 1870 book which used an alternative means of performing such calculation. Joseph can hardly have been aware of a method outlined nearly 50 years later. <ref>{{FR-12-2-16}}</ref> The present author acknowledges or treats none of these issues.		{{misinformation\|The author ignores the many problems which have been pointed out with Quinn's "magick" argument. Chief among these is that (as even Quinn admits), "according to the standard contemporary interpretations of astrology, Joseph was born under Saturn, not Jupiter." Quinn's only source for this claim is an 1870 book which used an alternative means of performing such calculation. Joseph can hardly have been aware of a method outlined nearly 50 years later.<ref>{{FR-12-2-16}}</ref> The present author acknowledges or treats none of these issues.
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	*[[Joseph Smith/Occultism and magic\|Joseph Smith and "magick"]]		*[[Joseph Smith/Occultism and magic\|Joseph Smith and "magick"]]
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	*[[../../Use of sources#The "power of enchantment" and "hidden treasures of the earth"\|The "power of enchantment" and "hidden treasures of the earth"]]		*[[../../Use of sources#The "power of enchantment" and "hidden treasures of the earth"\|The "power of enchantment" and "hidden treasures of the earth"]]
	*[[~~Joseph_Smith_and_money_digging~~]]		*[[Joseph Smith and money digging]]
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	\|mistake=There is no evidence that married men understood that Joseph was discussing polygamy until at least three years later. <ref> W.W. Phelps, Letter to Brigham Young, 1861, original in Church Archives, emphasis in original; cited by B. Carmon Hardy, ''Doing the Works of Abraham: Mormon Polygamy: Its Origin, Practice, and Demise'', Kingdom in the West: The Mormons and the American Frontier (Norman, Okla.: Arthur H. Clark Co., 2007), 36–37.</ref>		\|mistake=There is no evidence that married men understood that Joseph was discussing polygamy until at least three years later.<ref>W.W. Phelps, Letter to Brigham Young, 1861, original in Church Archives, emphasis in original; cited by B. Carmon Hardy, ''Doing the Works of Abraham: Mormon Polygamy: Its Origin, Practice, and Demise'', Kingdom in the West: The Mormons and the American Frontier (Norman, Okla.: Arthur H. Clark Co., 2007), 36–37.</ref>
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	\|mistake=The author presumes that Joseph's expression was about race, rather than behavior. (The expression is the Book of Mormon's, but for The author its views are always the same as Joseph Smith's because he is presumed to be the author.)		\|mistake=The author presumes that Joseph's expression was about race, rather than behavior. (The expression is the Book of Mormon's, but for The author its views are always the same as Joseph Smith's because he is presumed to be the author.)
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	*[[../../~~Use_of_sources~~#.~~22Skin_color_imporant_in_other_LDS_scriptures~~.22.3F\|Skin color important in LDS scriptures?]]		*[[../../Use of sources#.22Skin color imporant in other LDS scriptures.22.3F\|Skin color important in LDS scriptures?]]
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	\|mistake=The author ignores that many (if not most/all) of these scriptures have a symbolic role, as illustrated in Joseph's change discussed above (though the author apparently tries to undercut that impression). Richard L. Bushman, LDS author of a recent biography of Joseph Smith, writes:		\|mistake=The author ignores that many (if not most/all) of these scriptures have a symbolic role, as illustrated in Joseph's change discussed above (though the author apparently tries to undercut that impression). Richard L. Bushman, LDS author of a recent biography of Joseph Smith, writes:

	:...[T]he fact that [the Lamanites] are Israel, the chosen of God, adds a level of complexity to the Book of Mormon that simple racism does not explain. Incongruously, the book champions the Indians' place in world history, assigning them to a more glorious future than modern American whites.... Lamanite degradation is not ingrained in their natures, ineluctably bonded to their dark skins. Their wickedness is wholly cultural and frequently reversed. During one period, "they began to be a very industrious people; yea, and they were friendly with the Nephites; therefore, they did open a correspondence with them, and the curse of God did no more follow them." ({{s\|\|Alma\|23\|18}}) In the end, the Lamanites triumph. The white Nephites perish, and the dark Lamanites remain. <ref>{{RSR1\|start=99}}</ref>		:...[T]he fact that [the Lamanites] are Israel, the chosen of God, adds a level of complexity to the Book of Mormon that simple racism does not explain. Incongruously, the book champions the Indians' place in world history, assigning them to a more glorious future than modern American whites.... Lamanite degradation is not ingrained in their natures, ineluctably bonded to their dark skins. Their wickedness is wholly cultural and frequently reversed. During one period, "they began to be a very industrious people; yea, and they were friendly with the Nephites; therefore, they did open a correspondence with them, and the curse of God did no more follow them." ({{s\|\|Alma\|23\|18}}) In the end, the Lamanites triumph. The white Nephites perish, and the dark Lamanites remain.<ref>{{RSR1\|start=99}}</ref>
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	\|mistake=The author ignores that issues of race and skin color may well have been read into these scriptures in a ''post hoc'' manner. His brief treatment of these volatile issues is inadequate, and serves only to prejudice the reader against the early Saints and their later religious heirs. (See next entry below.)		\|mistake=The author ignores that issues of race and skin color may well have been read into these scriptures in a ''post hoc'' manner. His brief treatment of these volatile issues is inadequate, and serves only to prejudice the reader against the early Saints and their later religious heirs. (See next entry below.)
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	*[[../../~~Use_of_sources~~#.~~22Skin_color_imporant_in_other_LDS_scriptures~~.22.3F\|Skin color important in LDS scriptures?]]		*[[../../Use of sources#.22Skin color imporant in other LDS scriptures.22.3F\|Skin color important in LDS scriptures?]]
	*[[~~Blacks_and_the_priesthood~~/~~LDS_scriptures~~\|Scripture and race in LDS tradition]]		*[[Blacks and the priesthood/LDS scriptures\|Scripture and race in LDS tradition]]
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	\|mistake=The author avoids drawing the obvious conclusion—the "importance" of skin color "in other LDS scriptures" as it applied to race may have been read in as justification for the rhetoric. Thus, the scripture reading followed the rhetoric; the theology did not derive from the scriptures.		\|mistake=The author avoids drawing the obvious conclusion—the "importance" of skin color "in other LDS scriptures" as it applied to race may have been read in as justification for the rhetoric. Thus, the scripture reading followed the rhetoric; the theology did not derive from the scriptures.
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	*[[../../~~Use_of_sources~~#.~~22Skin_color_important_in_other_LDS_scriptures~~.22.3F\|Skin color important in LDS scriptures?]] (note that The author completely inverts his cited source's intent).		*[[../../Use of sources#.22Skin color important in other LDS scriptures.22.3F\|Skin color important in LDS scriptures?]] (note that The author completely inverts his cited source's intent).
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	{{propaganda\|The author is here using the Hurlbut-Howe affidavits uncritically, without addressing their numerous problems.		{{propaganda\|The author is here using the Hurlbut-Howe affidavits uncritically, without addressing their numerous problems.
	*[[Specific works/The Hurlbut affidavits#William Stafford\|The Hurlbut affidavits—Williams Stafford]]		*[[Specific works/The Hurlbut affidavits#William Stafford\|The Hurlbut affidavits—Williams Stafford]]
	*[[Specific works/~~The_Hurlbut_affidavits~~#C.R.~~_Stafford~~\|The Hurlbut affidavits—C.R. Stafford]]		*[[Specific works/The Hurlbut affidavits#C.R. Stafford\|The Hurlbut affidavits—C.R. Stafford]]
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	*[[Specific works/~~The_Hurlbut_affidavits~~#~~Henry_Harris~~\|The Hurlbut affidavits—Henry Harris]]		*[[Specific works/The Hurlbut affidavits#Henry Harris\|The Hurlbut affidavits—Henry Harris]]
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	{{propaganda\|This claim (besides mind reading) also distorts the textual record, since Cowdery's account ([[../~~Chapter_1~~#13\|cited above]]) made it clear that there was nothing unsettling at all about it.		{{propaganda\|This claim (besides mind reading) also distorts the textual record, since Cowdery's account ([[../Chapter 1#13\|cited above]]) made it clear that there was nothing unsettling at all about it.
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	#''History of the Church'' 4:535–41		#''History of the Church'' 4:535–41
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	#Van Wagoner and Walker, "Joseph Smith: 'The Gift of Seeing,' ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought'' 15 (Summer 1982): 2:50 [sic];		#Van Wagoner and Walker, "Joseph Smith: 'The Gift of Seeing,' ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought'' 15 (Summer 1982): 2:50 [sic];
	#George D. Smith, "Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon," ''Free Inquiry'' 4 (Winter 1983-84): 27n2.		#George D. Smith, "Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon," ''Free Inquiry'' 4 (Winter 1983-84): 27n2.

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