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GregSmith: /* Why does the Church teach that man first existed as spirits in heaven when 1 Corinthians 15:46 says that the physical body comes before the spiritual? */

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Why does the Church teach that man first existed as spirits in heaven when 1 Corinthians 15:46 says that the physical body comes before the spiritual?

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	Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself handle me, and see; for ''a spirit hath not flesh and bones'', '''''as ye see me have'''''''. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. ({{b\|\|Luke\|24\|39-42}}, {{ea}}.)		Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself handle me, and see; for ''a spirit hath not flesh and bones'', '''''as ye see me have'''''''. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. ({{b\|\|Luke\|24\|39-42}}, {{ea}}.)
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GregSmith at 20:48, 26 May 2024

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	= How is Isaiah 43:10 used as a proof-text by critics of the Church doctrines of humans' ability to become like God through Christ's atonement? =		= How is Isaiah 43:10 used as a proof-text by critics of the Church doctrines of humans' ability to become like God through Christ's atonement? =
	== The context of this passage makes it clear that the issue being addressed is not one of general theology but rather a very specific and practical command to recognize YHWH as Israel's only god and the only god to be ~~worshiped~~ ==		== The context of this passage makes it clear that the issue being addressed is not one of general theology but rather a very specific and practical command to recognize YHWH as Israel's only god and the only god to be worshipped ==

	== King James Version ==		== King James Version ==

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Commentary

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	In addition to misapplying this passage, critics also fail to recognize the growing body of evidence that shows that the Jewish religion was not strictly monotheistic until quite late in its development, certainly after the era in which Isaiah was written. When this evidence is considered, it appears that Judaism originally taught that though there are indeed other divine beings, some of whom are called gods, none of these are to be worshiped except for the God of gods who created all things and who revealed Himself to Moses.		In addition to misapplying this passage, critics also fail to recognize the growing body of evidence that shows that the Jewish religion was not strictly monotheistic until quite late in its development, certainly after the era in which Isaiah was written. When this evidence is considered, it appears that Judaism originally taught that though there are indeed other divine beings, some of whom are called gods, none of these are to be worshiped except for the God of gods who created all things and who revealed Himself to Moses.

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	= How is Genesis 3:5 used by critics who claim that the doctrine of deification (''theosis'') is a teaching of Satan? =		= How is Genesis 3:5 used by critics who claim that the doctrine of deification (''theosis'') is a teaching of Satan? =

GregSmith at 20:48, 26 May 2024

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	In addition to misapplying this passage, critics also fail to recognize the growing body of evidence that shows that the Jewish religion was not strictly monotheistic until quite late in its development, certainly after the era in which Isaiah was written. When this evidence is considered, it appears that Judaism originally taught that though there are indeed other divine beings, some of whom are called gods, none of these are to be worshiped except for the God of gods who created all things and who revealed Himself to Moses.		In addition to misapplying this passage, critics also fail to recognize the growing body of evidence that shows that the Jewish religion was not strictly monotheistic until quite late in its development, certainly after the era in which Isaiah was written. When this evidence is considered, it appears that Judaism originally taught that though there are indeed other divine beings, some of whom are called gods, none of these are to be worshiped except for the God of gods who created all things and who revealed Himself to Moses.

	{{To learn more box:~~Theosis~~}}		{{To learn more box:theosis}}{{blankkline}}

	= How is Genesis 3:5 used by critics who claim that the doctrine of deification (''theosis'') is a teaching of Satan? =		= How is Genesis 3:5 used by critics who claim that the doctrine of deification (''theosis'') is a teaching of Satan? =

GregSmith: /* How is Isaiah 43:10 used as a proof-text by critics of the Church doctrines of humans' ability to become like God through Christ's atonement? */

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How is Isaiah 43:10 used as a proof-text by critics of the Church doctrines of humans' ability to become like God through Christ's atonement?

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	In addition to misapplying this passage, critics also fail to recognize the growing body of evidence that shows that the Jewish religion was not strictly monotheistic until quite late in its development, certainly after the era in which Isaiah was written. When this evidence is considered, it appears that Judaism originally taught that though there are indeed other divine beings, some of whom are called gods, none of these are to be worshiped except for the God of gods who created all things and who revealed Himself to Moses.		In addition to misapplying this passage, critics also fail to recognize the growing body of evidence that shows that the Jewish religion was not strictly monotheistic until quite late in its development, certainly after the era in which Isaiah was written. When this evidence is considered, it appears that Judaism originally taught that though there are indeed other divine beings, some of whom are called gods, none of these are to be worshiped except for the God of gods who created all things and who revealed Himself to Moses.

			{{To learn more box:Theosis}}

	= How is Genesis 3:5 used by critics who claim that the doctrine of deification (''theosis'') is a teaching of Satan? =		= How is Genesis 3:5 used by critics who claim that the doctrine of deification (''theosis'') is a teaching of Satan? =

GregSmith at 20:43, 26 May 2024

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GregSmith at 20:35, 26 May 2024

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 <h1><center>Details on alleged contradictions</center></h1>
 =Do D&C 20:37 and 2 Nephi 31:17 or 3 Nephi 12:2 contradict one another regarding the order in which one receives baptism and a remission of sins?=
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 [[de:Frage: HLT-Schriften dass sich die Schriften gegenseitig widersprechen?]]

GregSmith at 20:31, 26 May 2024

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	<h1><center>~~Specific details~~ on alleged contradictions</center></h1>		<h1><center>Details on alleged contradictions</center></h1>

	=Do ~~{{s\|\|Doctrine and Covenants\|~~20\|37}} and ~~{{s\|~~2\|Nephi\|31\|17}} or ~~{{s\|~~3\|Nephi\|12\|2}} contradict one another regarding the order in which one receives baptism and a remission of sins?=		=Do D&C 20:37 and 2 Nephi 31:17 or 3 Nephi 12:2 contradict one another regarding the order in which one receives baptism and a remission of sins?=
	==These scriptures are not contradictory, for at least three reasons==		==These scriptures are not contradictory, for at least three reasons==

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	=Does Lehi contradict ~~{{s\|\|~~Jeremiah\|7~~\|}}~~ and prove himself a false prophet?=		=Does Lehi contradict Jeremiah 7 and prove himself a false prophet?=

	One critic has claimed that {{s\|\|Jeremiah\|7\|}} proves that Lehi wasn’t a true prophet and that the Book of Mormon’s authenticity is thus affected negatively.		One critic has claimed that {{s\|\|Jeremiah\|7\|}} proves that Lehi wasn’t a true prophet and that the Book of Mormon’s authenticity is thus affected negatively.

GregSmith at 20:27, 26 May 2024

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	=~~Introduction~~=		=Specific alleged contradictions in scripture=
	The challenge of Latter-day Saint scripture and an open canon to the rest of the christian world means that there is a long history of polemics targeted at the Church of Jesus Christ. These are well-worn "chestnuts" and standard biblical issues that have been repeatedly "asked and answered" for Latter-day Saints over nearly two centuries.		The challenge of Latter-day Saint scripture and an open canon to the rest of the christian world means that there is a long history of polemics targeted at the Church of Jesus Christ. These are well-worn "chestnuts" and standard biblical issues that have been repeatedly "asked and answered" for Latter-day Saints over nearly two centuries.

	=~~Index=~~		=Table summary=
	* [[#Why does the Church teach that man first existed as spirits in heaven when 1 Corinthians 15:46 says that the physical body comes before the spiritual?\|Why does the Church teach that man first existed as spirits in heaven when 1 Corinthians 15:46 says that the physical body comes before the spiritual?]]

	* [[#How is John 4:24 used as a proof-text by critics of the Church's doctrine of God having a body?\|How is John 4:24 used as a proof-text by critics of the Church's doctrine of God having a body?]]

	* [[#How is Isaiah 43:10 used as a proof-text by critics of the Church doctrines of humans' ability to become like God through Christ's atonement?\|How is Isaiah 43:10 used as a proof-text by critics of the Church doctrines of humans' ability to become like God through Christ's atonement?]]

	* [[#How is Genesis 3:5 used by critics who claim that the doctrine of deification (theosis) is a teaching of Satan?\|How is Genesis 3:5 used by critics who claim that the doctrine of deification (theosis) is a teaching of Satan?]]

	* [[Latter-day Saint scripture and the closed canon#Does the fact that the Bible states that nothing should be "added to" or "taken away" from the book mean that the Book of Mormon is false?\|Does the fact that the Bible states that nothing should be "added to" or "taken away" from the book mean that the Book of Mormon is false?]]


	~~<h1><center>Specific alleged contradictions in scripture</center></h1>~~

	~~=Some claim that there are contradictions between the Latter-day Saint books of scripture~~=

	==The supposed contradictions arise from 1) misinterpretation, 2) comparing two verses when are speaking of different things and 3) reading Protestant meanings into scriptural terminology==		==The supposed contradictions arise from 1) misinterpretation, 2) comparing two verses when are speaking of different things and 3) reading Protestant meanings into scriptural terminology==

GregSmith at 20:26, 26 May 2024

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