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	===What is "a familiar spirit"?===		===What is "a familiar spirit"?===

	The answer to this criticism depends on understanding Isaiah—and Nephi's use of him. Critics count on the Latter-day Saints being unfamiliar with these materials, and so a review is helpful.{{ref~~\|barney1}}~~		The answer to this criticism depends on understanding Isaiah—and Nephi's use of him. Critics count on the Latter-day Saints being unfamiliar with these materials, and so a review is helpful.<ref>Portions of this analysis are derived from Kevin L. Barney, "[http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/10/as-one-that-hath-a-familiar-spirit/ As One that Hath a Familiar Spirit]," ''bycommonconsent.com'' (18 October 2007); used with permission, last accessed 17 November 2007).</ref>

	It is natural that some have misunderstood the term "familiar spirit." The contemporary use of ''familiar'' is as an adjective, derived from the Latin ''familiaris'', meaning “domestic” (an adjectival formation from familia, “family”). The word means something like “intimate, very friendly.” But in about 1590 the word also began to be used as a noun meaning “demon, evil spirit.”		It is natural that some have misunderstood the term "familiar spirit." The contemporary use of ''familiar'' is as an adjective, derived from the Latin ''familiaris'', meaning “domestic” (an adjectival formation from familia, “family”). The word means something like “intimate, very friendly.” But in about 1590 the word also began to be used as a noun meaning “demon, evil spirit.”
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	Critics also ignore that the Book of Mormon also speaks negatively about appealing to actual "familiar spirits," in another citation from Isaiah in {{s\|2\|Nephi\|18\|19}}.		Critics also ignore that the Book of Mormon also speaks negatively about appealing to actual "familiar spirits," in another citation from Isaiah in {{s\|2\|Nephi\|18\|19}}.

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	# {{note\|barney1}} Portions of this analysis are derived from Kevin L. Barney, "As One that Hath a Familiar Spirit," ''bycommonconsent.com'' (18 October 2007); used with permission, last accessed 17 November 2007). {{link\|url=http:/~~/www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/10/as-one-that-hath-a-familiar-spirit/}}~~		{{Endnotes label}}
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	Critics ask why, if the words "familiar spirit" in {{b\|\|Isaiah\|29\|4}} refer to the Book of Mormon (as used in {{scripture\|2\|Nephi\|26\|16}}, why does "familiar spirit" always refer to occult practices such as channeling and necromancy everywhere else in the Old Testament?''		Critics ask why, if the words "familiar spirit" in {{b\|\|Isaiah\|29\|4}} refer to the Book of Mormon (as used in {{scripture\|2\|Nephi\|26\|16}}, why does "familiar spirit" always refer to occult practices such as channeling and necromancy everywhere else in the Old Testament?''

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	This doesn't mean that Isaiah was only referring to the Book of Mormon, or that he was particularly thinking about it at all. Nephi simply used the imagery and language of Isaiah, and adapted it to make his point. This was common practice in the ancient world.		This doesn't mean that Isaiah was only referring to the Book of Mormon, or that he was particularly thinking about it at all. Nephi simply used the imagery and language of Isaiah, and adapted it to make his point. This was common practice in the ancient world.

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			This doesn't mean that Isaiah was only referring to the Book of Mormon, or that he was particularly thinking about it at all. Nephi simply used the imagery and language of Isaiah, and adapted it to make his point. This was common practice in the ancient world.

			One wonders how young Joseph Smith knew that?

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	The comparison does not say that the Book of Mormon '''''is''''' a familiar spirit, but that the message from the Book of Mormon would be '''''comparable''''', or like such a spirit.		The comparison does not say that the Book of Mormon '''''is''''' a familiar spirit, but that the message from the Book of Mormon would be '''''comparable''''', or like such a spirit.
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	Critics also ignore that the Book of Mormon also speaks negatively about appealing to actual "familiar spirits," in another citation from Isaiah in {{s\|2\|Nephi\|18\|19}}.		Critics also ignore that the Book of Mormon also speaks negatively about appealing to actual "familiar spirits," in another citation from Isaiah in {{s\|2\|Nephi\|18\|19}}.

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	This doesn't mean that Isaiah was only referring to the Book of Mormon, or that he was particularly thinking about it at all. Nephi simply used the imagery and language of Isaiah, and adapted it to make his point. This was common practice in the ancient world.

	~~One wonders how young Joseph Smith knew that?~~

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	# {{note\|barney1}} Portions of this analysis are derived from Kevin L. Barney, "As One that Hath a Familiar Spirit," ''bycommonconsent.com'' (18 October 2007); used with permission, last accessed 17 November 2007). {{link\|url=http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/10/as-one-that-hath-a-familiar-spirit/}}		# {{note\|barney1}} Portions of this analysis are derived from Kevin L. Barney, "As One that Hath a Familiar Spirit," ''bycommonconsent.com'' (18 October 2007); used with permission, last accessed 17 November 2007). {{link\|url=http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/10/as-one-that-hath-a-familiar-spirit/}}

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	The symbol used by Isaiah is thus both appropriate for Nephi's situation, and ironic, since the Nephites have ended up ''also'' "speaking from the dust" just like the people at Jerusalem from whom the Nephites fled to avoid destruction!		The symbol used by Isaiah is thus both appropriate for Nephi's situation, and ironic, since the Nephites have ended up ''also'' "speaking from the dust" just like the people at Jerusalem from whom the Nephites fled to avoid destruction!

	Remember also that the Book of Mormon was "To come forth by the gift and power of God unto the interpretation thereof" as the title page to the book states. The interpreters, or Urim and Thummim, as well as the seer stone, are what are being referred to here. These are sacred implements. Implements are also used in the context of divination. So it is not surprising that the gift and power of God manifest through use of sacred implements would be described in this manner in Isaiah. The tools such as seer stones and so forth are abused by those who misuse them in occult contexts. But in the context of their correct use under priesthood authority and revelation from God, they are still spiritual implements that manifest things from the unseen world.		Remember also that the Book of Mormon was "To come forth by the gift and power of God unto the interpretation thereof" as the title page to the book states. The interpreters, or Urim and Thummim, as well as the seer stone, are what are being referred to here. These are sacred implements. Implements are also used in the context of divination. So it is not surprising that the gift and power of God manifest through use of sacred implements would be described in this manner in Isaiah. The tools such as seer stones and so forth are abused by those who misuse them in occult contexts. But in the context of their correct use under priesthood authority and revelation from God, they are still spiritual implements that manifest things from the unseen world, but in that case, being acted upon by the power of God, not by false spirits.

	===Book of Mormon disapproves of necromancy===		===Book of Mormon disapproves of necromancy===

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	The symbol used by Isaiah is thus both appropriate for Nephi's situation, and ironic, since the Nephites have ended up ''also'' "speaking from the dust" just like the people at Jerusalem from whom the Nephites fled to avoid destruction!		The symbol used by Isaiah is thus both appropriate for Nephi's situation, and ironic, since the Nephites have ended up ''also'' "speaking from the dust" just like the people at Jerusalem from whom the Nephites fled to avoid destruction!

	Remember also that the Book of Mormon was "To come forth by the gift and power of God unto the interpretation thereof" as the title page to the book states. The interpreters, or Urim and Thummim, as well as the seer stone, is what is being referred to here. These are sacred implements. Implements are also used in the context of divination. So it is not surprising that the gift and power of God manifest through use of sacred implements would be described in this manner in Isaiah. The tools such as seer stones and so forth are abused by those who misuse them in occult contexts. But in the context of their correct use under priesthood authority and revelation from God, they are still spiritual implements that manifest things from the unseen world.		Remember also that the Book of Mormon was "To come forth by the gift and power of God unto the interpretation thereof" as the title page to the book states. The interpreters, or Urim and Thummim, as well as the seer stone, are what are being referred to here. These are sacred implements. Implements are also used in the context of divination. So it is not surprising that the gift and power of God manifest through use of sacred implements would be described in this manner in Isaiah. The tools such as seer stones and so forth are abused by those who misuse them in occult contexts. But in the context of their correct use under priesthood authority and revelation from God, they are still spiritual implements that manifest things from the unseen world.

	===Book of Mormon disapproves of necromancy===		===Book of Mormon disapproves of necromancy===