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	Critics Jerald and Sandra Tanner present many examples of supposed "borrowing" of New Testament phrases by the Book of Mormon. When lined up in a list (without the text to compare) these can seem impressive. When the small amount of text which some have in common is seen, however, they become less convincing.		Critics Jerald and Sandra Tanner present many examples of supposed "borrowing" of New Testament phrases by the Book of Mormon. When lined up in a list (without the text to compare) these can seem impressive. When the small amount of text which some have in common is seen, however, they become less convincing.
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	==Overview==		==Overview of comparisons presented by the Tanners==
	Critics Jerald and Sandra Tanner present many examples of supposed "borrowing" of New Testament phrases by the Book of Mormon. When lined up in a list (without the text to compare) these can seem impressive. When the small amount of text which some have in common is seen, however, they become less convincing.		Critics Jerald and Sandra Tanner present many examples of supposed "borrowing" of New Testament phrases by the Book of Mormon. When lined up in a list (without the text to compare) these can seem impressive. When the small amount of text which some have in common is seen, however, they become less convincing.

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			=An examination of textual comparisions between the Book of Mormon and the New Testament presented by the Tanners=
			==Overview==
			Critics Jerald and Sandra Tanner present many examples of supposed "borrowing" of New Testament phrases by the Book of Mormon. When lined up in a list (without the text to compare) these can seem impressive. When the small amount of text which some have in common is seen, however, they become less convincing.

	* Jerald and Sandra Tanner present many examples of supposed "borrowing" of New Testament phrases by the Book of Mormon. When lined up in a list (without the text to compare) these can seem impressive. When the small amount of text which some have in common is seen, however, they become less convincing.		Furthermore, the Tanners do nothing to explore how common such phrases were in the preaching, writing, and speaking of Joseph's day. As discussed on the main page, many modern speakers use Shakespearean terms every day without realizing it. Some biblical phrases were simply part of the vocabulary of Joseph's day.
	* Furthermore, the Tanners do nothing to explore how common such phrases were in the preaching, writing, and speaking of Joseph's day. As discussed on the main page, many modern speakers use Shakespearean terms every day without realizing it. Some biblical phrases were simply part of the vocabulary of Joseph's day.
	* Google Books allows us to search many publications from the 19th century. It provides an estimate of how common these phrases were in religious and other discussion. This analysis is not to claim that Joseph read these books, but simply that these phrases were in common, frequent use for religious discussions. Since he had attended many sermons and meetings, it seems unlikely that he would not have been exposed to them over and over again. Furthermore, they were likely part of the "common language" of his era--some approach the status of cliches that one would use almost without thinking, or even knowing its source.		Google Books allows us to search many publications from the 19th century. It provides an estimate of how common these phrases were in religious and other discussion. This analysis is not to claim that Joseph read these books, but simply that these phrases were in common, frequent use for religious discussions. Since he had attended many sermons and meetings, it seems unlikely that he would not have been exposed to them over and over again. Furthermore, they were likely part of the "common language" of his era--some approach the status of cliches that one would use almost without thinking, or even knowing its source.

	==Analysis of specific examples from Jerald and Sandra Tanner==		==Analysis of specific examples from Jerald and Sandra Tanner==

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	* Minnie Myrtle, ''"Strange Things I Have Seen and Heard" and other pieces from ''The Myrtle Wreath'' or ''Stray Leaves Recalled'' (N.Y.: Charles Scribner, 1854). {{link\|url=http://www.wwhp.org/Resources/myrtle_wreath.html}}		* Minnie Myrtle, ''"Strange Things I Have Seen and Heard" and other pieces from ''The Myrtle Wreath'' or ''Stray Leaves Recalled'' (N.Y.: Charles Scribner, 1854). {{link\|url=http://www.wwhp.org/Resources/myrtle_wreath.html}}
	* "...now that I have seen and heard, I am in a hurry to get back, and tell my relatives the straight of it." - Isaac V. D. Heard, Henry Benjamin Whipple, ''History of the Sious War and Massacres of 1862 and 1863'' (New York: Harper & Brothers, Publishers, Franklin Square, 1865), 165. {{link\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=QnUFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA165&lpg=PA165&dq=%22I+have+seen+and+heard%22&source=bl&ots=Z8aRU-QOnq&sig=T270RnbKjKJevlE6c4kfh_CsveI&hl=en&ei=Q5VPSveQMIuosgO4lbyqDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3}}		* "...now that I have seen and heard, I am in a hurry to get back, and tell my relatives the straight of it." - Isaac V. D. Heard, Henry Benjamin Whipple, ''History of the Sious War and Massacres of 1862 and 1863'' (New York: Harper & Brothers, Publishers, Franklin Square, 1865), 165. {{link\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=QnUFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA165&lpg=PA165&dq=%22I+have+seen+and+heard%22&source=bl&ots=Z8aRU-QOnq&sig=T270RnbKjKJevlE6c4kfh_CsveI&hl=en&ei=Q5VPSveQMIuosgO4lbyqDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3}}
			* "Because of that which I have seen and heard since my return..." - General Douglas MacArthur; cited in Edward T. Imparato, ''General MacArthur Speeches and Reports 1908–1964'' (Turner Publishing Company, 2000), 205. {{link\|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=F-ILUHbWtncC&pg=PA205&lpg=PA205&dq=%22which+I+have+seen+and+heard%22&source=bl&ots=wY_zeZ6haa&sig=mSbzG-wOuaWfzeZezSaLkHQA1JE&hl=en&ei=WalPSo7PO4rQtgP5nuWqDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2}}
			* "...things that can be both seen and heard....it will be open to us to say that the 'common thing' can be both seen and heard...." David Bostock, ''Plato's Theaetetus'' (Oxford University Press, 1991), 112.
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	* This is another exceedingly common expression.		* This is another exceedingly common expression.
	* Google Books shows:		* Google Books shows:
	* over 150 uses of the biblical phrase "stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith." {{link\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?lr=&spell=1&num=100&as_brr=0&q=%22Stand+fast+therefore+in+the+liberty+wherewith%22&btnG=Search+Books&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=6&as_maxy_is=1830}}		** over 150 uses of the biblical phrase "stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith." {{link\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?lr=&spell=1&num=100&as_brr=0&q=%22Stand+fast+therefore+in+the+liberty+wherewith%22&btnG=Search+Books&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=6&as_maxy_is=1830}}
	* over 350 uses of the altered phrase (missing "therefore") "stand fast in the liberty wherewith." {{link\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?lr=&spell=1&q=%22stand+fast+in+the+liberty+wherewith%22&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=6&as_maxy_is=1830&num=100&as_brr=0&spell=1&oi=spell}}		** over 350 uses of the altered phrase (missing "therefore") "stand fast in the liberty wherewith." {{link\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?lr=&spell=1&q=%22stand+fast+in+the+liberty+wherewith%22&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=6&as_maxy_is=1830&num=100&as_brr=0&spell=1&oi=spell}}
	* even the altered Book of Mormon phrase "stand fast in that liberty wherewith" has nearly 50 hits. {{link\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?lr=&spell=1&num=100&as_brr=0&q=%22stand+fast+in+that+liberty+wherewith%22&btnG=Search+Books&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=6&as_maxy_is=1830}}		** even the altered Book of Mormon phrase "stand fast in that liberty wherewith" has nearly 50 hits. {{link\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?lr=&spell=1&num=100&as_brr=0&q=%22stand+fast+in+that+liberty+wherewith%22&btnG=Search+Books&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=6&as_maxy_is=1830}}
	* Together, these make up at least 550 separate uses.		** Together, these make up at least 550 separate uses.
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