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Alma and Paul

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	== Alma and Paul ==		== Alma and Paul ==
	This parallel has received the largest amount of attention from critics, apologists, and other scholars.		This parallel has received the largest amount of attention from critics, apologists, and other scholars.
	[[File:~~La conversion de Saint Paul Giordano Nancy 3018~~.jpg\|300 px\|right\|thumb\|Paul's dramatic experience on the road to Damascus turned him into a Christian and perhaps the faith's most influential missionary. Despite the artist's dramatic use of horses, there's no evidence that Paul was riding as he travelled on his mission to persecute Christians. (Image: Luca Giordano, "The Conversion of St. Paul," (1690).)]]		[[File:1920px-La_conversion_de_Saint_Paul_Giordano_Nancy_3018.jpg\|300 px\|right\|thumb\|Paul's dramatic experience on the road to Damascus turned him into a Christian and perhaps the faith's most influential missionary. Despite the artist's dramatic use of horses, there's no evidence that Paul was riding as he travelled on his mission to persecute Christians. (Image: Luca Giordano, "The Conversion of St. Paul," (1690).)]]
	The Book of Mormon records the conversion and ministry of a young man named Alma. Alma goes about trying to lead people away from God's church. An angel appears, causing Alma and his companions to fall and tremble because of fear. Because of this experience, Alma was converted to the gospel and spent his life teaching it thereafter.		The Book of Mormon records the conversion and ministry of a young man named Alma. Alma goes about trying to lead people away from God's church. An angel appears, causing Alma and his companions to fall and tremble because of fear. Because of this experience, Alma was converted to the gospel and spent his life teaching it thereafter.

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Alma and Paul

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	== Alma and Paul ==		== Alma and Paul ==
	This parallel has received the largest amount of attention from critics, apologists, and other scholars.		This parallel has received the largest amount of attention from critics, apologists, and other scholars.
			[[File:La conversion de Saint Paul Giordano Nancy 3018.jpg\|300 px\|right\|thumb\|Paul's dramatic experience on the road to Damascus turned him into a Christian and perhaps the faith's most influential missionary. Despite the artist's dramatic use of horses, there's no evidence that Paul was riding as he travelled on his mission to persecute Christians. (Image: Luca Giordano, "The Conversion of St. Paul," (1690).)]]
	The Book of Mormon records the conversion and ministry of a young man named Alma. Alma goes about trying to lead people away from God's church. An angel appears, causing Alma and his companions to fall and tremble because of fear. Because of this experience, Alma was converted to the gospel and spent his life teaching it thereafter.		The Book of Mormon records the conversion and ministry of a young man named Alma. Alma goes about trying to lead people away from God's church. An angel appears, causing Alma and his companions to fall and tremble because of fear. Because of this experience, Alma was converted to the gospel and spent his life teaching it thereafter.

GregSmith: /* The daughters of the Lamanites and the dancing daughters of Shiloh */

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The daughters of the Lamanites and the dancing daughters of Shiloh

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	The story of kidnapping by the wicked priests is a minor part of the record of the people of Zeniff. When King Noah, ruler over the Zeniffites, rejected the prophet Abinadi's message and had him killed, the priest Alma and his followers separated from the rest of the people. Soon thereafter, the Lamanites attacked the people of Zeniff. As they fled from the Lamanites, King Noah commanded them to abandon their families. Instead, they executed Noah and attempted to kill his priests (see {{s\|\|Mosiah\|19\|19-21}}). These priests escaped into the wilderness, led by Amulon, one of their number, and later kidnapped some daughter sof the Lamanites to be their wives. Angered by the kidnapping and assuming the Zeniffites were guilty, the Lamanites attacked them. Peace was restored when the Lamanites learned who the real kidnappers were (see {{s\|\|Mosiah\|20\|26}}).		The story of kidnapping by the wicked priests is a minor part of the record of the people of Zeniff. When King Noah, ruler over the Zeniffites, rejected the prophet Abinadi's message and had him killed, the priest Alma and his followers separated from the rest of the people. Soon thereafter, the Lamanites attacked the people of Zeniff. As they fled from the Lamanites, King Noah commanded them to abandon their families. Instead, they executed Noah and attempted to kill his priests (see {{s\|\|Mosiah\|19\|19-21}}). These priests escaped into the wilderness, led by Amulon, one of their number, and later kidnapped some daughter sof the Lamanites to be their wives. Angered by the kidnapping and assuming the Zeniffites were guilty, the Lamanites attacked them. Peace was restored when the Lamanites learned who the real kidnappers were (see {{s\|\|Mosiah\|20\|26}}).
	[[File:Abudction_of_girls_in_Shiloh_-_Dore.png\|right\|thumb\|To allow the tribe of Benjamin to survive after they had vowed not to marry their daughters to them, the Israelites arranged a "bride theft" event to get around the vow. (Illustration from :Gustav Doré, "Abduction of the girls at Shiloh," ''La Grande Bible de Tours'' (1866).)		[[File:Abudction_of_girls_in_Shiloh_-_Dore.png\|right\|thumb\|To allow the tribe of Benjamin to survive after they had vowed not to marry their daughters to them, the Israelites arranged a "bride theft" event to get around the vow. (Illustration from :Gustav Doré, "Abduction of the girls at Shiloh," ''La Grande Bible de Tours'' (1866).)]]
	===A Biblical Parallel===		===A Biblical Parallel===

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	== The daughters of the Lamanites and the dancing daughters of Shiloh ==		== The daughters of the Lamanites and the dancing daughters of Shiloh ==
			[[File:Benjaminite_and_Concubine_in_Morgan_Bible.png\|left\|thumb\|300 px\|French illuminated manuscript (1244-1254) of the Benjaminite arriving with his concubine in Gibeah. This is a benign beginning to a horrific account. From "The Morgan Bible."]]
	Latter-day Saint philosopher Alan Goff wrote a short chapter on this parallel back in 1991:		Latter-day Saint philosopher Alan Goff wrote a short chapter on this parallel back in 1991:

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	The story of kidnapping by the wicked priests is a minor part of the record of the people of Zeniff. When King Noah, ruler over the Zeniffites, rejected the prophet Abinadi's message and had him killed, the priest Alma and his followers separated from the rest of the people. Soon thereafter, the Lamanites attacked the people of Zeniff. As they fled from the Lamanites, King Noah commanded them to abandon their families. Instead, they executed Noah and attempted to kill his priests (see {{s\|\|Mosiah\|19\|19-21}}). These priests escaped into the wilderness, led by Amulon, one of their number, and later kidnapped some daughter sof the Lamanites to be their wives. Angered by the kidnapping and assuming the Zeniffites were guilty, the Lamanites attacked them. Peace was restored when the Lamanites learned who the real kidnappers were (see {{s\|\|Mosiah\|20\|26}}).		The story of kidnapping by the wicked priests is a minor part of the record of the people of Zeniff. When King Noah, ruler over the Zeniffites, rejected the prophet Abinadi's message and had him killed, the priest Alma and his followers separated from the rest of the people. Soon thereafter, the Lamanites attacked the people of Zeniff. As they fled from the Lamanites, King Noah commanded them to abandon their families. Instead, they executed Noah and attempted to kill his priests (see {{s\|\|Mosiah\|19\|19-21}}). These priests escaped into the wilderness, led by Amulon, one of their number, and later kidnapped some daughter sof the Lamanites to be their wives. Angered by the kidnapping and assuming the Zeniffites were guilty, the Lamanites attacked them. Peace was restored when the Lamanites learned who the real kidnappers were (see {{s\|\|Mosiah\|20\|26}}).
			[[File:Abudction_of_girls_in_Shiloh_-_Dore.png\|right\|thumb\|To allow the tribe of Benjamin to survive after they had vowed not to marry their daughters to them, the Israelites arranged a "bride theft" event to get around the vow. (Illustration from :Gustav Doré, "Abduction of the girls at Shiloh," ''La Grande Bible de Tours'' (1866).)
			===A Biblical Parallel===

	~~===A Biblical Parallel===~~
	[[File:Benjaminite_and_Concubine_in_Morgan_Bible.png\|left\|thumb\|300 px\|French illuminated manuscript (1244-1254) of the Benjaminite arriving with his concubine in Gibeah. This is a benign beginning to a horrific account. From "The Morgan Bible."]]
	This story of the abduction of young Lamanite women is similar to a story in the Bible in which men from the tribe of Benjamin kidnap daughters of Israel at Shiloh. The end of the book of Judges contains three stories about the tribe of Benjamin. In the first, Benjaminites abused and murdered a Levite concubine (see {{s\|\|Judges\|20\|\|}}). In the second, the other eleven tribes gathered to punish the offenders, and a civil war resulted (see {{s\|\|Judges\|19\|}}). The third story tells of the kidnapping (see {{s\|\|Judges\|1\|}}).		This story of the abduction of young Lamanite women is similar to a story in the Bible in which men from the tribe of Benjamin kidnap daughters of Israel at Shiloh. The end of the book of Judges contains three stories about the tribe of Benjamin. In the first, Benjaminites abused and murdered a Levite concubine (see {{s\|\|Judges\|20\|\|}}). In the second, the other eleven tribes gathered to punish the offenders, and a civil war resulted (see {{s\|\|Judges\|19\|}}). The third story tells of the kidnapping (see {{s\|\|Judges\|1\|}}).

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	===The Stealing of the Daughters of the Lamanites===		===The Stealing of the Daughters of the Lamanites===
	[[File:Abudction_of_girls_in_Shiloh_-_Dore.png\|right\|thumb\|To allow the tribe of Benjamin to survive after they had vowed not to marry their daughters to them, the Israelites arranged a "bride theft" event to get around the vow. [Illustration from :Gustav Doré, "Abduction of the girls at Shiloh," ''La Grande Bible de Tours'' (1866).]
	The similarities between the stories in Mosiah and Judges are complex and carefully stated:{{blankline}}		The similarities between the stories in Mosiah and Judges are complex and carefully stated:{{blankline}}

GregSmith: /* The daughters of the Lamanites and the dancing daughters of Shiloh */

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The daughters of the Lamanites and the dancing daughters of Shiloh

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	===A Biblical Parallel===		===A Biblical Parallel===
			[[File:Benjaminite_and_Concubine_in_Morgan_Bible.png\|left\|thumb\|300 px\|French illuminated manuscript (1244-1254) of the Benjaminite arriving with his concubine in Gibeah. This is a benign beginning to a horrific account. From "The Morgan Bible."]]
	This story of the abduction of young Lamanite women is similar to a story in the Bible in which men from the tribe of Benjamin kidnap daughters of Israel at Shiloh. The end of the book of Judges contains three stories about the tribe of Benjamin. In the first, Benjaminites abused and murdered a Levite concubine (see {{s\|\|Judges\|20\|\|}}). In the second, the other eleven tribes gathered to punish the offenders, and a civil war resulted (see {{s\|\|Judges\|19\|}}). The third story tells of the kidnapping (see {{s\|\|Judges\|1\|}}).		This story of the abduction of young Lamanite women is similar to a story in the Bible in which men from the tribe of Benjamin kidnap daughters of Israel at Shiloh. The end of the book of Judges contains three stories about the tribe of Benjamin. In the first, Benjaminites abused and murdered a Levite concubine (see {{s\|\|Judges\|20\|\|}}). In the second, the other eleven tribes gathered to punish the offenders, and a civil war resulted (see {{s\|\|Judges\|19\|}}). The third story tells of the kidnapping (see {{s\|\|Judges\|1\|}}).

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	===The Stealing of the Daughters of the Lamanites===		===The Stealing of the Daughters of the Lamanites===
			[[File:Abudction_of_girls_in_Shiloh_-_Dore.png\|right\|thumb\|To allow the tribe of Benjamin to survive after they had vowed not to marry their daughters to them, the Israelites arranged a "bride theft" event to get around the vow. [Illustration from :Gustav Doré, "Abduction of the girls at Shiloh," ''La Grande Bible de Tours'' (1866).]
	The similarities between the stories in Mosiah and Judges are complex and carefully stated:{{blankline}}		The similarities between the stories in Mosiah and Judges are complex and carefully stated:{{blankline}}

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	[[Category:The Changing World of Mormonism]]		[[Category:The Changing World of Mormonism]]
	[[de:Das Buch Mormon/Plagiatsvorwürfe:]]		[[de:Das Buch Mormon/Plagiatsvorwürfe:]]
	[[en:Does ~~{{s\|\|~~Helaman\|12\|25-26}} quote ~~{{s\|\|~~John\|5\|29~~}}:~~]]		[[en:Does Helaman 12:25-26 quote John 5:29?]]
	[[es:Pregunta: ¿Cómo puede 1 Nefi 22:15 en el Libro de Mormón citar Malaquías 4:1 cientos de años antes de que Malaquías fue escrito:]]		[[es:Pregunta: ¿Cómo puede 1 Nefi 22:15 en el Libro de Mormón citar Malaquías 4:1 cientos de años antes de que Malaquías fue escrito:]]
	[[pt:Fonte:Nibley:Church News:29 Julho 1961:De que outra forma uma citação escritura se não física:]]		[[pt:Fonte:Nibley:Church News:29 Julho 1961:De que outra forma uma citação escritura se não física:]]

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	=== John W. Welch 1990 Book Chapter on the Melchizedek Material in {{s\|\|Alma\|3\|}} ===		=== John W. Welch 1990 Book Chapter on the Melchizedek Material in {{s\|\|Alma\|3\|}} ===
	Three years before Wright published on this topic, John W. Welch wrote a paper on the Melchizedek material in {{s\|\|Alma\|2\|13}}. While not being a direct reponse to Wright, Welch provides insightful comparisons between {{s\|\|Alma\|3\|}}, {{s\|\|Hebrews\|7\|}}, {{s\|\|Genesis\|2\|}}, and extrabiblical lore about Melchizedek to elucidate how Alma interprets Genesis and frames concepts of priesthood and thus how it differs from {{s\|\|Hebrews\|7\|}}. Readers are strongly encouraged to read Welch’s paper.<ref>John W. Welch, "[https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/mi/19/ The Melchizedek Material in ~~{{s\|\|~~Alma~~\|13\|~~13-19}}]," in ''By Study and Also by Faith: Essays in Honor of Hugh W. Nibley on the Occasion of His Eightieth Birthday, 27 March 1990'', ed. John M. Lundquist and Stephen D. Ricks (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book/Provo, Utah: Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 1990), 2:248.</ref>		Three years before Wright published on this topic, John W. Welch wrote a paper on the Melchizedek material in {{s\|\|Alma\|2\|13}}. While not being a direct reponse to Wright, Welch provides insightful comparisons between {{s\|\|Alma\|3\|}}, {{s\|\|Hebrews\|7\|}}, {{s\|\|Genesis\|2\|}}, and extrabiblical lore about Melchizedek to elucidate how Alma interprets Genesis and frames concepts of priesthood and thus how it differs from {{s\|\|Hebrews\|7\|}}. Readers are strongly encouraged to read Welch’s paper.<ref>John W. Welch, "[https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/mi/19/ The Melchizedek Material in Alma 13-19]," in ''By Study and Also by Faith: Essays in Honor of Hugh W. Nibley on the Occasion of His Eightieth Birthday, 27 March 1990'', ed. John M. Lundquist and Stephen D. Ricks (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book/Provo, Utah: Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 1990), 2:248.</ref>

	=== Book of Mormon Central KnoWhy on Alma and Melchizedek ===		=== Book of Mormon Central KnoWhy on Alma and Melchizedek ===

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A second caution

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	In considering two similar passages, A and B, there are at least three possible explanations of their resemblance. A may be dependent on B, or B on A, or both A and B may be dependent on something prior to both of them. A critic with a theory—and everybody starts with a prepossession in favour of some theory —is tempted to take for granted that the relation of the parallel passages is in accordance with his theory. If he holds that B is older than A, it seems to him that A is so obviously dependent on B, that this dependence proves the early date of B. But, as a rule, it is very difficult to determine which of two similar passages is dependent on the other. Often the question can only be settled by our knowledge that one passage is taken from an earlier work than the other; and where we do not possess such knowledge the priority is quite uncertain, and a comparison of the passages yields little or no evidence as to the date of the documents in which they occur. . . ..<ref>Bennett, 39; cited in {{Interpreter:McGuire:Finding Parallels Some Cautions And Criticisms Part One:2013:Short:pages=36-37}}</ref>		In considering two similar passages, A and B, there are at least three possible explanations of their resemblance. A may be dependent on B, or B on A, or both A and B may be dependent on something prior to both of them. A critic with a theory—and everybody starts with a prepossession in favour of some theory —is tempted to take for granted that the relation of the parallel passages is in accordance with his theory. If he holds that B is older than A, it seems to him that A is so obviously dependent on B, that this dependence proves the early date of B. But, as a rule, it is very difficult to determine which of two similar passages is dependent on the other. Often the question can only be settled by our knowledge that one passage is taken from an earlier work than the other; and where we do not possess such knowledge the priority is quite uncertain, and a comparison of the passages yields little or no evidence as to the date of the documents in which they occur. . . ..<ref>Bennett, 39; cited in {{Interpreter:McGuire:Finding Parallels Some Cautions And Criticisms Part One:2013:Short\|pages=36-37}}</ref>
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	(Many alleged parallels are entirely irrelevant, and are only such as must naturally exist between works in the same language, by authors of the same race, acquainted with the history and literature, customs and traditions which were earlier than both of them. . . .<ref>W. H.Bennett and Walter F. Adeney, A Biblical Introduction (New York: Thomas Whittaker, 1899), 39; cited in {{Interpreter:McGuire:Finding Parallels Some Cautions And Criticisms Part One:2013:Short:pages=36}}</ref>		(Many alleged parallels are entirely irrelevant, and are only such as must naturally exist between works in the same language, by authors of the same race, acquainted with the history and literature, customs and traditions which were earlier than both of them. . . .<ref>W. H.Bennett and Walter F. Adeney, A Biblical Introduction (New York: Thomas Whittaker, 1899), 39; cited in {{Interpreter:McGuire:Finding Parallels Some Cautions And Criticisms Part One:2013:Short\|pages=36}</ref>
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GregSmith: /* Summary */

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Summary

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	Thus, the claim of plagiarism seems forced, since there are Nephite texts which more closely approximate the citation than does the gospel of John, and a precise citation is not present in any case.		Thus, the claim of plagiarism seems forced, since there are Nephite texts which more closely approximate the citation than does the gospel of John, and a precise citation is not present in any case.

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