Alleged false prophecies of Joseph Smith - Revision history

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Did Joseph Smith state that the moon was inhabited, and that it's inhabitants were dressed like Quakers?

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	Like the authors of the Bible, modern prophets are generally beholden to their era's scientific concepts, except where corrections in those concepts are needed to permit the gospel to be understood and applied. This does not mean, however, that prophets of any era do not receive revelation about matters of eternal significance.		Like the authors of the Bible, modern prophets are generally beholden to their era's scientific concepts, except where corrections in those concepts are needed to permit the gospel to be understood and applied. This does not mean, however, that prophets of any era do not receive revelation about matters of eternal significance.

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	We will first discuss general principles regarding alleged false prophecies.<ref name="tvedtnes">John A. Tvedtnes, "The Nature of Prophets and Prophecy," ''FAIR Publications'', accessed November 3, 2022, https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/archive/publications/the-nature-of-prophets-and-prophecy-2.</ref>		We will first discuss general principles regarding alleged false prophecies.<ref name="tvedtnes">John A. Tvedtnes, "The Nature of Prophets and Prophecy," ''FAIR Publications'', accessed November 3, 2022, https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/archive/publications/the-nature-of-prophets-and-prophecy-2.</ref>

	{{Seealso\|Question: How can one reconcile unfulfilled promises in patriarchal blessings?\|l1=Alleged unfulfilled ~~prophecies of Jesus Christ’s Second Coming given~~ in patriarchal blessings\|When spiritual impressions seem mistaken}}		{{Seealso\|Question: How can one reconcile unfulfilled promises in patriarchal blessings?\|l1=Alleged unfulfilled promises in patriarchal blessings\|When spiritual impressions seem mistaken}}

	== The Three Models of Prophecy: Film Reel, Weather Forecast, and Plan ==		== The Three Models of Prophecy: Film Reel, Weather Forecast, and Plan ==

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Was the fulfillment of the prophecy delayed?

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	However, in the case of the Relief Society prophecy, Joseph states, point blank, that "iniquity must be purged out," which implies that it has to be there to begin with. There were certainly apostates among the Relief Society.		However, in the case of the Relief Society prophecy, Joseph states, point blank, that "iniquity must be purged out," which implies that it has to be there to begin with. There were certainly apostates among the Relief Society.

	Brigham Young was not pleased about what the Relief Society leadership had done to oppose Joseph and to oppose plural marriage, and the associated difficulties which the Relief Society and their zeal to expunge impurity caused. (Joseph spoke to them about this also.)<ref>{{Book:Newell Avery:Mormon Enigma 2}} {{nc}}</ref>)		=== Problems with the Relief Society ===
			Brigham Young was not pleased about what the Relief Society leadership had done to oppose Joseph and to oppose plural marriage, and the associated difficulties which the Relief Society and their zeal to expunge impurity caused. (Joseph spoke to them about this also, see below.)<ref>{{Book:Newell Avery:Mormon Enigma 2}} {{nc}}</ref>)

			=== Hiatus for the Relief Society ===
	Following the death of Joseph Smith, the Relief Society as an organization went on "hiatus," in part due to these concerns.		Following the death of Joseph Smith, the Relief Society as an organization went on "hiatus," in part due to these concerns.

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	Note that Brigham's issue is not with the ''existence'' of the Relief Society, but the "huddling together" to seek out iniquity. John Taylor gives us further background on why the organization was suspended,		Note that Brigham's issue is not with the ''existence'' of the Relief Society, but the "huddling together" to seek out iniquity. John Taylor gives us further background on why the organization was suspended,

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	The "reason why the Relief Society did not continue from the first organization was that Emma Smith the Pres. taught the Sisters that the principle of Celestial Marriage as taught and practiced by Joseph Smith was not of God."<ref>Newell and Avery, 174; John Taylor, 29 June 1881, LDS Archives</ref>		The "reason why the Relief Society did not continue from the first organization was that Emma Smith the Pres. taught the Sisters that the principle of Celestial Marriage as taught and practiced by Joseph Smith was not of God."<ref>Newell and Avery, 174; John Taylor, 29 June 1881, LDS Archives</ref>
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	It should be noted that Newell and Avery claim this is not true in the strict reading of the minutes, however, it is well known that Emma did everything she could to discourage people from following Joseph's teachings on plural marriage, both in what she said privately and publicly. Newell and Avery provide evidence of this tendency themselves when citing Emma Smith's announced plans, but don't draw the obvious conclusion:		=== Emma's opposition ===
			It should be noted that critical authors Newell and Avery claim this is not true in the strict reading of the minutes—however, it is well known that Emma did everything she could to discourage people from following Joseph's teachings on plural marriage, both in what she said privately and publicly. Newell and Avery provide evidence of this tendency themselves when citing Emma Smith's announced plans, but don't draw the obvious conclusion:

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			=== Eliza R. Snow's testimony ===
	Even Eliza R. Snow felt it necessary to correct the impression that the Relief Society in Nauvoo had done "more harm than good," emphasizing that it "saved many lives." But, the mere fact that she needed to correct this impression should tell us something about how the Relief Society under Emma's tenure was seen—there were lives saved, but there was also a somewhat darker side that kept Brigham from reconstituting the organization for ten years, and made Eliza need to emphasize that it had been worth it, on balance, even with the problems.<ref>Eliza R Snow, "A Book of Records Containing the Minutes of the Organization and Proceedings of the Female Relief Society of West Jordan Ward," 12 April 1868, LDS Archives</ref>		Even Eliza R. Snow felt it necessary to correct the impression that the Relief Society in Nauvoo had done "more harm than good," emphasizing that it "saved many lives." But, the mere fact that she needed to correct this impression should tell us something about how the Relief Society under Emma's tenure was seen—there were lives saved, but there was also a somewhat darker side that kept Brigham from reconstituting the organization for ten years, and made Eliza need to emphasize that it had been worth it, on balance, even with the problems.<ref>Eliza R Snow, "A Book of Records Containing the Minutes of the Organization and Proceedings of the Female Relief Society of West Jordan Ward," 12 April 1868, LDS Archives</ref>

	Joseph expressed his own reservations: "You need not be teasing men for their deeds, but let the weight of innocence be felt which is more mighty than a millstone hung about the neck."—i.e., quit acting as a type of police on public morals. He spoke on this more than once; it was an on-going problem, and much of it was driven by Emma. (Joseph had previously spoken to the Relief Society and cautioned them about their zeal not being according to knowledge.<ref>For example, Joseph spoke to the Relief Society on 30 March 1842: "Pres. Joseph Smith arose—spoke of the organization of the society. Said he was deeply interested that it might be built up to the Most High in an acceptable manner—that its rules must be observed—that none should be received into the society but those who were worthy. Proposed that the society go into a close examination of every candidate—that they were going too fast—that the society should grow up by degrees; should commence with a few individuals—thus have a select society of the virtuous, and those who will walk circumspectly. Commended them for their zeal but said some times their zeal was not according to knowledge. One principal object of the institution was to purge out iniquity—said they must be extremely careful in all their examinations or the consequences would be serious. Said all difficulties which might and would cross our way must be surmounted, though the soul be tried, the heart faint, and hands hang down—must not retrace our steps. That there must be decision of character aside from sympathy. That when instructed we must obey that voice, observe the constitution, 2 that the blessings of heaven may rest down upon us. All must act in concert or nothing can be done, that the society should move according to the ancient Priesthood, hence there should be a select society, separate from all the evils of the world, choice, virtuous and holy." - {{Wordsjs1\|start=110}} Compare versions in {{TPJS1\|start=201}}; and {{HC1\|vol=4\|start=570}}</ref>		=== Joseph expressed similar concerns ===

			Joseph expressed his own reservations:

			"You need not be teasing men for their deeds, but let the weight of innocence be felt which is more mighty than a millstone hung about the neck."—i.e., quit acting as a type of police on public morals. He spoke on this more than once; it was an on-going problem, and much of it was driven by Emma. (Joseph had previously spoken to the Relief Society and cautioned them about their zeal not being according to knowledge.<ref>For example, Joseph spoke to the Relief Society on 30 March 1842: "Pres. Joseph Smith arose—spoke of the organization of the society. Said he was deeply interested that it might be built up to the Most High in an acceptable manner—that its rules must be observed—that none should be received into the society but those who were worthy. Proposed that the society go into a close examination of every candidate—that they were going too fast—that the society should grow up by degrees; should commence with a few individuals—thus have a select society of the virtuous, and those who will walk circumspectly. Commended them for their zeal but said some times their zeal was not according to knowledge. One principal object of the institution was to purge out iniquity—said they must be extremely careful in all their examinations or the consequences would be serious. Said all difficulties which might and would cross our way must be surmounted, though the soul be tried, the heart faint, and hands hang down—must not retrace our steps. That there must be decision of character aside from sympathy. That when instructed we must obey that voice, observe the constitution, 2 that the blessings of heaven may rest down upon us. All must act in concert or nothing can be done, that the society should move according to the ancient Priesthood, hence there should be a select society, separate from all the evils of the world, choice, virtuous and holy." - {{Wordsjs1\|start=110}} Compare versions in {{TPJS1\|start=201}}; and {{HC1\|vol=4\|start=570}}</ref>

	Joseph said that there were problems that had to be improved. This could be good evidence that in Emma's case, that the problem wasn't solved. Joseph repeatedly talked to them about judging the actions of others, minding their own business, sustaining the prophet, and so forth. The following remarks from 28 April 1842 are from the same discourse as the prophecy under consideration:		Joseph said that there were problems that had to be improved. This could be good evidence that in Emma's case, that the problem wasn't solved. Joseph repeatedly talked to them about judging the actions of others, minding their own business, sustaining the prophet, and so forth. The following remarks from 28 April 1842 are from the same discourse as the prophecy under consideration:

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	:"As there is no air nor water on the moon, but very few changes can take place upon its surface. There can be no vegetation and no animals, and although many astronomers have brought their imaginations to bear upon this subject, and have given us descriptions of the beautiful scenery upon its surface, and have even peopled it with inhabitants, we have every reason to believe that it is as barren and lifeless as an arid rock."<ref>‘Quebec,’ "The Moon", ''Contributor'' 1/9 (June 1880): 193-5, from page 195</ref>		:"As there is no air nor water on the moon, but very few changes can take place upon its surface. There can be no vegetation and no animals, and although many astronomers have brought their imaginations to bear upon this subject, and have given us descriptions of the beautiful scenery upon its surface, and have even peopled it with inhabitants, we have every reason to believe that it is as barren and lifeless as an arid rock."<ref>‘Quebec,’ "The Moon", ''Contributor'' 1/9 (June 1880): 193-5, from page 195</ref>

			=== Modern analogies ===
	Modern prophets and general authorities will sometimes cite newspaper articles or books to illustrate the points which they wish to make. In doing so, they are not endorsing such articles or books as being prophetically correct in all particulars. Rather, they are using the science and information of their day to enhance their preaching of the gospel.		Modern prophets and general authorities will sometimes cite newspaper articles or books to illustrate the points which they wish to make. In doing so, they are not endorsing such articles or books as being prophetically correct in all particulars. Rather, they are using the science and information of their day to enhance their preaching of the gospel.

			=== "Worlds without number" ===
	LDS doctrine was not provincial, since it provided for "worlds without number" ({{s\|\|Moses\|1\|33}}) created by Christ. These worlds held those who would require the gospel, since by Christ "the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God." ({{s\|\|D&C\|76\|24}})		LDS doctrine was not provincial, since it provided for "worlds without number" ({{s\|\|Moses\|1\|33}}) created by Christ. These worlds held those who would require the gospel, since by Christ "the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God." ({{s\|\|D&C\|76\|24}})

	Information given to the 19th century Saints by the authorities of the day were consistent with these doctrines, and so they believed them, and occasionally mentioned them in a religious context. As always, prophets and believers are products of their time. Biblical authors, for example, clearly accepted a geocentric (earth centered) cosmos, with a flat earth and heavens supported by four pillars. Like the authors of the Bible, modern prophets are generally beholden to their era's scientific concepts, except where corrections in those concepts are needed to permit the gospel to be understood and applied. This does not mean, however, that prophets of any era do not receive revelation about matters of eternal significance.		Information given to the 19th century Saints by the authorities of the day were consistent with these doctrines, and so they believed them, and occasionally mentioned them in a religious context.

			As always, prophets and believers are products of their time. Biblical authors, for example, clearly accepted a geocentric (earth centered) cosmos, with a flat earth and heavens supported by four pillars.

			Like the authors of the Bible, modern prophets are generally beholden to their era's scientific concepts, except where corrections in those concepts are needed to permit the gospel to be understood and applied. This does not mean, however, that prophets of any era do not receive revelation about matters of eternal significance.

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D&C 114 was not a prophecy, it was a mission call

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	It is claimed that Joseph Smith prophesied that David Patten would go on a mission ({{s\|\|D&C\|114\|1}}), yet six months later Patten was killed in Missouri at the Battle of Crooked River. <ref>The original form of this article is from {{1min \| article=Did Joseph Smith Prophesy Falsely Regarding David Patten? \| url=http://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/patten.htm}}. Because of the nature of wiki projects, over time it may have been altered substantially from the original.</ref>		It is claimed that Joseph Smith prophesied that David Patten would go on a mission ({{s\|\|D&C\|114\|1}}), yet six months later Patten was killed in Missouri at the Battle of Crooked River. <ref>The original form of this article is from {{1min \| article=Did Joseph Smith Prophesy Falsely Regarding David Patten? \| url=http://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/patten.htm}}. Because of the nature of wiki projects, over time it may have been altered substantially from the original.</ref>

			==="Thus saith the Lord"===
	Some critics have pointed to the "thus saith the Lord" phrase at the beginning Patten's call in {{s\|\|D&C\|114}1-2}}} proves that this was a prophecy. Other sections where "thus saith the Lord" was part of the revelation demonstrates that the phrase was not used exclusively for prophecies (as in D&C 87) but is also used in revelations where instructions (D&C 21, 44, 49, 50, 52, 75, 89, 91, etc.) callings (D&C 36, 55, 66, 69, 99, 100, 108, etc.), and reproof (D&C 61, 95) are given. More than half the time the phrase was used in the first verse. When used in the first verse, it appears to be an indication that what followed was the product of revelation.		Some critics have pointed to the "thus saith the Lord" phrase at the beginning Patten's call in {{s\|\|D&C\|114}1-2}}} proves that this was a prophecy. Other sections where "thus saith the Lord" was part of the revelation demonstrates that the phrase was not used exclusively for prophecies (as in D&C 87) but is also used in revelations where instructions (D&C 21, 44, 49, 50, 52, 75, 89, 91, etc.) callings (D&C 36, 55, 66, 69, 99, 100, 108, etc.), and reproof (D&C 61, 95) are given. More than half the time the phrase was used in the first verse. When used in the first verse, it appears to be an indication that what followed was the product of revelation.

			===Patten's call===
	Those who make this argument employ a misreading of the call to Patten and a double standard regarding prophecy to condemn Joseph Smith.		Those who make this argument employ a misreading of the call to Patten and a double standard regarding prophecy to condemn Joseph Smith.

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	In any event, Patten's death would not change the instructional nature of that call. Joseph Smith declared that: To the "great Jehovah . . . the past, present, and future were and are, with Him, one eternal 'now'."<ref>{{HoC1\|vol=4\|start=597}}</ref> Despite this, God still gives agency to us and to others who impact on our lives, which usage often precludes what would have happened if the Lord's will were done on earth as it is in heaven.<!--Note that seeing this as "Jesus" is probably anachronistic--JS used the term "Jehovah" typically for the Father--the standardized terminology of today was not worked out until the 20th century-->		In any event, Patten's death would not change the instructional nature of that call. Joseph Smith declared that: To the "great Jehovah . . . the past, present, and future were and are, with Him, one eternal 'now'."<ref>{{HoC1\|vol=4\|start=597}}</ref> Despite this, God still gives agency to us and to others who impact on our lives, which usage often precludes what would have happened if the Lord's will were done on earth as it is in heaven.<!--Note that seeing this as "Jesus" is probably anachronistic--JS used the term "Jehovah" typically for the Father--the standardized terminology of today was not worked out until the 20th century-->

			===Biblical parallels===
	There are several Biblical parallels to David Patten's mission call, such as the calling of Judas as an Apostle. As one of the Twelve Apostles, Judas was promised by the Lord that he would sit on twelve thrones with the others and judge the twelve tribes of Israel ({{s\|\|Matt\|19\|28}}). Judas's choices never fulfilled this promise of the Lord. This doesn't make Christ a false prophet. Patten's death at the hands of Missourians was their doing, not his.		There are several Biblical parallels to David Patten's mission call, such as the calling of Judas as an Apostle. As one of the Twelve Apostles, Judas was promised by the Lord that he would sit on twelve thrones with the others and judge the twelve tribes of Israel ({{s\|\|Matt\|19\|28}}). Judas's choices never fulfilled this promise of the Lord. This doesn't make Christ a false prophet. Patten's death at the hands of Missourians was their doing, not his.

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Step #3: Ensure that the account of the prophecy does not misrepresent or misinterpret what the prophet actually said.

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	*'''Check interpretation:''' Consider alternative interpretations. Have other Latter-day Saint or other Christians authors examined the prophecy in question? Have they offered alternative interpretations? Is there only one possible interpretation that is compelled by the source or are there multiple possible interpretations?		*'''Check interpretation:''' Consider alternative interpretations. Have other Latter-day Saint or other Christians authors examined the prophecy in question? Have they offered alternative interpretations? Is there only one possible interpretation that is compelled by the source or are there multiple possible interpretations?
	*'''Ask, 'Vision or prophecy?':''' John Tvedtnes wrote that <blockquote>		*'''Ask, 'Vision or prophecy?':''' John Tvedtnes wrote that <blockquote>
	:Visions are often highly symbolic and hence require interpretation. They cannot, therefore, necessarily be taken as "prophecy" in the sense of predictions of precise future events. As an example, we may consider Joseph Smith’s vision of the celestial kingdom (History of the Church 2:380-381). It has been highly criticized because in it he saw the twelve apostles of his day in the celestial kingdom. Of the twelve, however, five were excommunicated and never returned to the Church. This, the critics say, is evidence of a false prophecy. More likely, it is an indication of what the Lord intended for them, had they all remained faithful. If Joseph Smith is to be condemned as a false prophet on the basis of this vision, then we must condemn Jesus as a false prophet for similar reasons. Christ promised his twelve apostles that, when he returned to reign in glory, they would sit on twelve thrones and judge the twelve tribes of Israel (Matthew 19:28). And yet Judas, who was one of the twelve at the time, later fell away and, losing his place as an apostle, was replaced by Matthias (Acts 1:15-26).12 If we take Jesus’ words literally, then either Judas will receive the reward (which makes the account in Acts wrong), or Jesus lied. On the other hand, if we do not hold Jesus to every word, should we not extend the same courtesy to Joseph Smith who, after all, was far less perfect than the Savior?<ref name="tvedtnes"></ref>		::Visions are often highly symbolic and hence require interpretation. They cannot, therefore, necessarily be taken as "prophecy" in the sense of predictions of precise future events. As an example, we may consider Joseph Smith’s vision of the celestial kingdom (History of the Church 2:380-381). It has been highly criticized because in it he saw the twelve apostles of his day in the celestial kingdom. Of the twelve, however, five were excommunicated and never returned to the Church. This, the critics say, is evidence of a false prophecy. More likely, it is an indication of what the Lord intended for them, had they all remained faithful. If Joseph Smith is to be condemned as a false prophet on the basis of this vision, then we must condemn Jesus as a false prophet for similar reasons. Christ promised his twelve apostles that, when he returned to reign in glory, they would sit on twelve thrones and judge the twelve tribes of Israel (Matthew 19:28). And yet Judas, who was one of the twelve at the time, later fell away and, losing his place as an apostle, was replaced by Matthias (Acts 1:15-26).12 If we take Jesus’ words literally, then either Judas will receive the reward (which makes the account in Acts wrong), or Jesus lied. On the other hand, if we do not hold Jesus to every word, should we not extend the same courtesy to Joseph Smith who, after all, was far less perfect than the Savior?<ref name="tvedtnes"></ref>
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	*'''Multiple ways to fulfillment:''' Latter-day Saints (like many other Christians) believe in the concept of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_fulfillment dual fulfillment]. That is: prophecies can be fulfilled in multiple ways.		*'''Multiple ways to fulfillment:''' Latter-day Saints (like many other Christians) believe in the concept of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_fulfillment dual fulfillment]. That is: prophecies can be fulfilled in multiple ways.

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Introduction to Question

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	= Alleged false prophecies by leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints =		= Alleged false prophecies by leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints =
	~~== Introduction to Question ==~~
	Many critics of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints assert that its past presidents (men that Latter-day Saints consider prophets) have made failed prophecies and that this either proves or provides evidence for the claim that they aren't true prophets receiving revelation from God.		Many critics of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints assert that its past presidents (men that Latter-day Saints consider prophets) have made failed prophecies and that this either proves or provides evidence for the claim that they aren't true prophets receiving revelation from God.

	We will first discuss general principles regarding alleged false prophecies.<ref name="tvedtnes">John A. Tvedtnes, "The Nature of Prophets and Prophecy," ''FAIR Publications'', accessed November 3, 2022, https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/archive/publications/the-nature-of-prophets-and-prophecy-2.</ref>		We will first discuss general principles regarding alleged false prophecies.<ref name="tvedtnes">John A. Tvedtnes, "The Nature of Prophets and Prophecy," ''FAIR Publications'', accessed November 3, 2022, https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/archive/publications/the-nature-of-prophets-and-prophecy-2.</ref>

	{{Seealso\|Question: How can one reconcile unfulfilled promises in patriarchal blessings?\|l1=Alleged unfulfilled prophecies of Jesus Christ’s Second Coming given in patriarchal blessings\|~~\|Why might someone not be able to see their~~ spiritual impressions ~~come to successful, obvious, and/or beautiful fruition?~~}}		{{Seealso\|Question: How can one reconcile unfulfilled promises in patriarchal blessings?\|l1=Alleged unfulfilled prophecies of Jesus Christ’s Second Coming given in patriarchal blessings\|When spiritual impressions seem mistaken}}

	== The Three Models of Prophecy: Film Reel, Weather Forecast, and Plan ==		== The Three Models of Prophecy: Film Reel, Weather Forecast, and Plan ==

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	We will first discuss general principles regarding alleged false prophecies.<ref name="tvedtnes">John A. Tvedtnes, "The Nature of Prophets and Prophecy," ''FAIR Publications'', accessed November 3, 2022, https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/archive/publications/the-nature-of-prophets-and-prophecy-2.</ref>		We will first discuss general principles regarding alleged false prophecies.<ref name="tvedtnes">John A. Tvedtnes, "The Nature of Prophets and Prophecy," ''FAIR Publications'', accessed November 3, 2022, https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/archive/publications/the-nature-of-prophets-and-prophecy-2.</ref>

	{{Seealso\|"Question: How can one reconcile unfulfilled promises in patriarchal blessings?"\|l1=Alleged unfulfilled prophecies of Jesus Christ’s Second Coming given in patriarchal blessings\|\|Why might someone not be able to see their spiritual impressions come to successful, obvious, and/or beautiful fruition?}}		{{Seealso\|Question: How can one reconcile unfulfilled promises in patriarchal blessings?\|l1=Alleged unfulfilled prophecies of Jesus Christ’s Second Coming given in patriarchal blessings\|\|Why might someone not be able to see their spiritual impressions come to successful, obvious, and/or beautiful fruition?}}

	== The Three Models of Prophecy: Film Reel, Weather Forecast, and Plan ==		== The Three Models of Prophecy: Film Reel, Weather Forecast, and Plan ==