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===Relationship of John "Foxe" and "Hi540"===
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''I admit that it would be nice to have a non-Mormon ally at Mormon articles, but I long ago promised not to create sock puppets or attempt to recruit others to support my views. That's a promise I've kept and intend to keep.'' 
—John Foxe (6 December 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John_Foxe&diff=176231278&oldid=176219280}}
 
''...there will be no sock puppetry or meat puppetry on my part. It would be nice to have an ally occasionally, but I won't stoop to creating or recruiting them. 
—John Foxe (3 November 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#Arbitration}}
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The following table compares three individuals: two are imaginary, and one is real. You may draw your own conclusions.
{| valign="top" border="1" style="width:100%; font-size:85%"
!width="5%"|*
!width="31%"|John "Foxe"
!width="32%"|"Hi540"
!width="32%"|A well known professor at BJU
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=====Music=====
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*"Among other things, I'm a serious amateur violist; and I also play the recorder on occasion." "John Foxe," 27 April 2006 {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bob_Jones_University&diff=prev&oldid=55808996}}
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*"John is an amateur musician who has enjoyed playing the violin, viola, and recorder in campus, church, and community groups." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====History=====
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*"Once or twice a year I have occasion to mention the thalidomide case in the course of my work. (John Foxe, 9 September 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tr%C3%B6del/Archive_6&diff=prev&oldid=74713900}}
*"Hey, Foxe, I have a question for you. Did you graduate from and/or do you work at or have family at BJU?" CyberAnth (27 October 2006) "Foxe" responds: "Sounds like a good bet to me:)" --John Foxe (27 October 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bob_Jones_University/Archive_0004#Charles D. Provan}}
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*The user name "Hi540" is the course designation for "History 540" at Bob Jones University. The following is from the BJU course catalog:
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'''Hi 540 - Historical Research & Writing''' 
Techniques of historical research, analysis and composition culminating in a formal article-length paper based in part on primary documentation. Required of all students majoring in History. {{link|url=http://www.bju.edu/academics/courses/?subject=History}}
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*"John teaches history at Bob Jones University" {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
*The professor teaches the BJU course "Historical Research and Writing" {{link|url=http://lincolnmullen.com/index.php?s=matzko}}
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=====Historiography=====
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*"'Historiography' is the principles, methodology, or history of writing history. An excellent historiography of Mormonism is Walker, Whittaker, and Allen, Mormon History (2001)."--John Foxe 11:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mormonism_and_history#Merge_with_Mormon_apologetics.3F}}
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*The professor teaches a BJU course called "Historiography." {{link|url=http://lincolnmullen.com/index.php?s=matzko}}
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=====Publication=====
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*"I have in my possession a personal rejection letter from ''BYU Studies'' which, although very courteous, makes it clear that the reason for the rejection of an article of mine was ideological. (And yes, the article was later published in a peer reviewed journal.)"--John Foxe (talk) 14:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Oliver_Cowdery#View_of_the_Hebrews}}
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*John Matzko, "The Encounter of the Young Joseph Smith with Presbyterianism," ''Dialogue'' {{link|url=http://www.dialoguejournal.com/store/?id=177}}
*"You might be interested to know that I first submitted that article to BYU Studies and received a painfully polite letter noting that it had been rejected by a unanimous decision of the board, a “half dozen academic scholars who have written extensively on Latter-day Saint history." {{link|url=http://religioninamerica.org/2010/01/12/writing-about-the-supernatural-or-fawn-brodie-vs-richard-bushman/}}
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=====Languages=====
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*Learning French. French is listed as being spoken at the "elementary" level as of 17 July 2006. "John Foxe" user page. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:John_Foxe&diff=64374771&oldid=62366319}}
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*Learning French. French is listed as being spoken at the "intermediate" level as of 26 September 2007. "Hi540's" user page. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hi540&diff=160541279&oldid=160540018}}
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=====BJU Grad=====
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*"Hey, Foxe, I have a question for you. Did you graduate from and/or do you work at or have family at BJU?" CyberAnth (27 October 2006) "Foxe" responds: "Sounds like a good bet to me:)" --John Foxe (27 October 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bob_Jones_University/Archive_0004#Charles_D._Provan}}
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*Graduated from BJU. Wife teaches English at BJU. The professor "eventually earned degrees from Bob Jones University, the University of Cincinnati and the University of Virginia." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====BJU Faculty=====
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*"As a BJU faculty member old enough to have heard Bob Jones Sr. in person, I reverted your edit because it is incorrect." "Hi540" (10 September 2008} {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:KJB-AV&diff=prev&oldid=237517551}}
*"I've had various connections with BJU through the years, and WMUU was never the only station to which BJU students could listen when I attended."--Hi540 (9 November 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:WMUU-FM&diff=170408987&oldid=154113567}}
*"While I'm writing this, I'm on the BJU campus listening to WJKF 97.7, and I assure you that no one from the Dean of Students office would blink an eyelash."--"Hi540" (10 November 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:WMUU-FM&diff=170558205&oldid=170408987}}
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*"John teaches history at Bob Jones University, Greenville, South Carolina." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Univ. of Virginia=====
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*Graduated from the University of Virginia. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hi540&diff=249171506&oldid=239589673}}
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*The professor "eventually earned degrees from Bob Jones University, the University of Cincinnati and the University of Virginia." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Military=====
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*Served in the military during the time period required to receive the "National Defense Service Medal". {{ref|hi540.military}}
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*Served in the military during the time period required to receive the "National Defense Service Medal". "In 1969, John was drafted into the U.S. Army and served eighteen months in the Honor Guard, including a tour of duty as a sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknowns in Arlington National Cemetery." Serving during this period would qualify the professor to receive the "National Defense Service Medal." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Married=====
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*"A few months ago when my wife noted a a couple sentences about D[wight] G[ustafson] in the local newspaper, she said, 'That sounds just like you.'" (John Foxe, , (28 February 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jeffrey_O._Gustafson&diff=prev&oldid=111574192}}
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*The professor was married. (His wife passed away in 2009) {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Churches=====
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*I asked my wife ... and she too couldn't remember ever hearing anything about that verse, even before we were married and went to different churches.--John Foxe (talk) 16:50, 13 January 2009 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Seer_stone_(Latter_Day_Saints)#Revelation_2.17_and_the_white_stone}}
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*"John became a Christian as a child while attending the Bible Presbyterian Church of Collingswood...[his wife] became a charter member of North Love Baptist Church." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Ancestors=====
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*Parents immigrated from Europe. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Billy_Sunday#Showing_Sunday_as_more_than_one-dimensional}}
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*Parents immigrated from Europe. {{link|url=http://www.konschak.org/soldierintro.htm}}
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=====Surname=====
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*"I just ran Provan on Google and then my own real, unusual name, and the hits were virtually identical, in the mid-hundreds... --John Foxe (21 December 2006)
*"John Foxe" welcomed John Matzko's son Austin to Wikpedia. (11 March 2009) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Austin_Matzko&diff=prev&oldid=276584777}}
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*Editor “Hi540” uploaded a picture of Lake Santeetlah to Wikimedia Commons on May 18, 2008. The source is “own work” and the copyright holder is listed as John Matzko. {{link|url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LakeSanteetlah(lake).jpg}}
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*The photo uploaded to Wikicommons happens to be the same photo that is displayed on the Matzko's Cottage web page. {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/}}
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=====BJU Art Gallery=====
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*Response to Previous Art Gallery post. Do some research about the BJU M&G; not only can I personally attest to the validity of that statement (having toured the Gallery on an occasion), but there is considerable respect online among art historians. There are paintings by very famous masters such as Veronese, Titian, Tintoretto, Benjamin West, and many more. I would not say that such a statement is "blatantly false.” John Foxe 13:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bob_Jones_University&diff=prev&oldid=49914298#Art_Gallery}}
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*26 November 2007 Hi540 added the following (incomplete) entry to the Wikitravel page “Greenville (South Carolina)” "Bob Jones University Museum and Gallery, 1700 Wade Hampton Blvd., [5]. Tu-Sunday, 2-5. Closed Monday. A thorough presentation of European Old Masters from the fourteenth through the nineteenth centuries including one of the finest collections of Italian Baroque painting in the United States. Includes religious art by Rubens, van Dyck, Reni, Tintoretto, Le Brun, Cranach, Ribera, and Murillo set among period furniture, sculpture, tapestries, and porcelains." {{link|url=http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Greenville_(South_Carolina)&diff=prev&oldid=710764}}
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*August 14, 2007. "Tracking Wikipedia's Not-So-Neutral Editors." Web surfers can watch as an editor from Bob Jones University calls the campus museum “the great collection of religious art in the Western Hemisphere.” Comment #2: "The Bob Jones University Museum and Gallery may not “the great collection of religious art in the Western Hemisphere,” but there are few that surpass it in either quality or size. Sounds outrageous. It just happens to be true." — John Matzko Aug 16, 05:48 PM {{link|url=http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/index.php?id=2302}}
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=====Bushman=====
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*I once heard Richard Bushman discuss the BoA and eventually turned my eyes away from his because I was embarrassed for him.--John Foxe 22:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
*"...Bushman's a patriarch (as well as a super-nice guy)."--John Foxe 23:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lost_116_pages#Tweaks}}
*"I've met Jan Shipps and heard her lecture on several occasions. She's a very nice lady. If I were a better photographer, I would have uploaded to Wikimedia Commons a picture that I took of her several years ago during an interchange she had with Richard Bushman."--John Foxe (talk) 14:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
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*Photo of Richard Bushman by John Matzko. {{link|url=http://nn.byu.edu/story.cfm/66195}}
*The ''Dialogue'' article thanks “participants in the 2005 NEH Seminar on ‘Joseph Smith and the Origins of Mormonism’ for criticism of an earlier draft. Especially valuable were the comments of Richard Bushman, seminar co-director, and Mark Sidwell, the author’s colleague at BJU.
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=====Law=====
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*I have a better-than-average knowledge of the law, but I am not now, nor ever have been, a lawyer.--John Foxe 10:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
*Here I sit with a contract for a dead-tree encyclopedia article in front of me, with the amount of money they are going to pay me to write it, and I recall Bytebear characterizing my writing as "drivel." I'm going to revert to the earlier page, and I want him or someone else to tell me what about it is "drivel."--John Foxe 11:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#.22Drivel.22}}
*Ironically the encyclopedia piece in question deals with an aspect of the law....It would also be nice for Bytebear to apologize for calling my writing "drivel."--John Foxe 11:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#.22Drivel.22}}
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*Matzko, John A., "'The Best Men of the Bar': The Founding of the American Bar Association," in The New High Priests: Lawyers in Post-Civil War America, edited by Gerard W. Gawalt, Westport, Conn.: Greenwood Press, 1984, pp. 75-96. {{link|url=http://www.answers.com/topic/american-bar-association}}
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=====Story of the chicken thief=====
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*(You may have heard the story of the chicken farmer who refused to press charges against the chicken thief because he didn't want to be associated with chicken thieves.) And there will be no sock puppetry or meat puppetry on my part. It would be nice to have an ally occasionally, but I won't stoop to creating or recruiting them. --John Foxe 11:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#Arbitration}}
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* Comment from: John_Matzko [Visitor] · http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about
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There's an old story about a farmer who caught a thief stealing his chickens. The sheriff was called, but the farmer said he didn't want to press charges. "Why not?" said the sheriff. "Because I don't want to be associated with a chicken thief."
Permalink 10/23/06 @ 17:34 {{link|url=http://remonstrans.net/index.php/2006/10/20/an_oscar_for_maranatha_baptist_bible_col}}
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User:InProgress/488593/Sock

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===Relationship of John "Foxe" and "Hi540"===
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<center>
''I admit that it would be nice to have a non-Mormon ally at Mormon articles, but I long ago promised not to create sock puppets or attempt to recruit others to support my views. That's a promise I've kept and intend to keep.'' 
—John Foxe (6 December 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John_Foxe&diff=176231278&oldid=176219280}}
 
''...there will be no sock puppetry or meat puppetry on my part. It would be nice to have an ally occasionally, but I won't stoop to creating or recruiting them. 
—John Foxe (3 November 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#Arbitration}}
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The following table compares three individuals: two are imaginary, and one is real. You may draw your own conclusions.
{| valign="top" border="1" style="width:100%; font-size:85%"
!width="5%"|*
!width="31%"|John "Foxe"
!width="32%"|"Hi540"
!width="32%"|A well known professor at BJU
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=====Music=====
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*"Among other things, I'm a serious amateur violist; and I also play the recorder on occasion." "John Foxe," 27 April 2006 {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bob_Jones_University&diff=prev&oldid=55808996}}
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*"John is an amateur musician who has enjoyed playing the violin, viola, and recorder in campus, church, and community groups." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====History=====
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*"Once or twice a year I have occasion to mention the thalidomide case in the course of my work. (John Foxe, 9 September 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tr%C3%B6del/Archive_6&diff=prev&oldid=74713900}}
*"Hey, Foxe, I have a question for you. Did you graduate from and/or do you work at or have family at BJU?" CyberAnth (27 October 2006) "Foxe" responds: "Sounds like a good bet to me:)" --John Foxe (27 October 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bob_Jones_University/Archive_0004#Charles D. Provan}}
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*The user name "Hi540" is the course designation for "History 540" at Bob Jones University. The following is from the BJU course catalog:
<blockquote>
'''Hi 540 - Historical Research & Writing''' 
Techniques of historical research, analysis and composition culminating in a formal article-length paper based in part on primary documentation. Required of all students majoring in History. {{link|url=http://www.bju.edu/academics/courses/?subject=History}}
</blockquote>
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*"John teaches history at Bob Jones University" {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
*The professor teaches the BJU course "Historical Research and Writing" {{link|url=http://lincolnmullen.com/index.php?s=matzko}}
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=====Historiography=====
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*"'Historiography' is the principles, methodology, or history of writing history. An excellent historiography of Mormonism is Walker, Whittaker, and Allen, Mormon History (2001)."--John Foxe 11:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mormonism_and_history#Merge_with_Mormon_apologetics.3F}}
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*The professor teaches a BJU course called "Historiography." {{link|url=http://lincolnmullen.com/index.php?s=matzko}}
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=====Publication=====
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*"I have in my possession a personal rejection letter from ''BYU Studies'' which, although very courteous, makes it clear that the reason for the rejection of an article of mine was ideological. (And yes, the article was later published in a peer reviewed journal.)"--John Foxe (talk) 14:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Oliver_Cowdery#View_of_the_Hebrews}}
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*John Matzko, "The Encounter of the Young Joseph Smith with Presbyterianism," ''Dialogue'' {{link|url=http://www.dialoguejournal.com/store/?id=177}}
*"You might be interested to know that I first submitted that article to BYU Studies and received a painfully polite letter noting that it had been rejected by a unanimous decision of the board, a “half dozen academic scholars who have written extensively on Latter-day Saint history." {{link|url=http://religioninamerica.org/2010/01/12/writing-about-the-supernatural-or-fawn-brodie-vs-richard-bushman/}}
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=====Languages=====
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*Learning French. French is listed as being spoken at the "elementary" level as of 17 July 2006. "John Foxe" user page. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:John_Foxe&diff=64374771&oldid=62366319}}
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*Learning French. French is listed as being spoken at the "intermediate" level as of 26 September 2007. "Hi540's" user page. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hi540&diff=160541279&oldid=160540018}}
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=====BJU Grad=====
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*"Hey, Foxe, I have a question for you. Did you graduate from and/or do you work at or have family at BJU?" CyberAnth (27 October 2006) "Foxe" responds: "Sounds like a good bet to me:)" --John Foxe (27 October 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bob_Jones_University/Archive_0004#Charles_D._Provan}}
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*Graduated from BJU. Wife teaches English at BJU. The professor "eventually earned degrees from Bob Jones University, the University of Cincinnati and the University of Virginia." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====BJU Faculty=====
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*"As a BJU faculty member old enough to have heard Bob Jones Sr. in person, I reverted your edit because it is incorrect." "Hi540" (10 September 2008} {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:KJB-AV&diff=prev&oldid=237517551}}
*"I've had various connections with BJU through the years, and WMUU was never the only station to which BJU students could listen when I attended."--Hi540 (9 November 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:WMUU-FM&diff=170408987&oldid=154113567}}
*"While I'm writing this, I'm on the BJU campus listening to WJKF 97.7, and I assure you that no one from the Dean of Students office would blink an eyelash."--"Hi540" (10 November 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:WMUU-FM&diff=170558205&oldid=170408987}}
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*"John teaches history at Bob Jones University, Greenville, South Carolina." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Univ. of Virginia=====
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*Graduated from the University of Virginia. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hi540&diff=249171506&oldid=239589673}}
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*The professor "eventually earned degrees from Bob Jones University, the University of Cincinnati and the University of Virginia." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Military=====
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*Served in the military during the time period required to receive the "National Defense Service Medal". {{ref|hi540.military}}
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*Served in the military during the time period required to receive the "National Defense Service Medal". "In 1969, John was drafted into the U.S. Army and served eighteen months in the Honor Guard, including a tour of duty as a sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknowns in Arlington National Cemetery." Serving during this period would qualify the professor to receive the "National Defense Service Medal." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Married=====
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*"A few months ago when my wife noted a a couple sentences about D[wight] G[ustafson] in the local newspaper, she said, 'That sounds just like you.'" (John Foxe, , (28 February 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jeffrey_O._Gustafson&diff=prev&oldid=111574192}}
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*The professor was married. (His wife passed away in 2009) {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Churches=====
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*I asked my wife ... and she too couldn't remember ever hearing anything about that verse, even before we were married and went to different churches.--John Foxe (talk) 16:50, 13 January 2009 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Seer_stone_(Latter_Day_Saints)#Revelation_2.17_and_the_white_stone}}
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*"John became a Christian as a child while attending the Bible Presbyterian Church of Collingswood...[his wife] became a charter member of North Love Baptist Church." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Ancestors=====
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*Parents immigrated from Europe. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Billy_Sunday#Showing_Sunday_as_more_than_one-dimensional}}
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*Parents immigrated from Europe. {{link|url=http://www.konschak.org/soldierintro.htm}}
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=====Surname====
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*"I just ran Provan on Google and then my own real, unusual name, and the hits were virtually identical, in the mid-hundreds... --John Foxe (21 December 2006)
*"John Foxe" welcomed John Matzko's son Austin to Wikpedia. (11 March 2009) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Austin_Matzko&diff=prev&oldid=276584777}}
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*Editor “Hi540” uploaded a picture of Lake Santeetlah to Wikimedia Commons on May 18, 2008. The source is “own work” and the copyright holder is listed as John Matzko. {{link|url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LakeSanteetlah(lake).jpg}}
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*The photo uploaded to Wikicommons happens to be the same photo that is displayed on the Matzko's Cottage web page. {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/}}
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=====BJU Art Gallery=====
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*Response to Previous Art Gallery post. Do some research about the BJU M&G; not only can I personally attest to the validity of that statement (having toured the Gallery on an occasion), but there is considerable respect online among art historians. There are paintings by very famous masters such as Veronese, Titian, Tintoretto, Benjamin West, and many more. I would not say that such a statement is "blatantly false.” John Foxe 13:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bob_Jones_University&diff=prev&oldid=49914298#Art_Gallery}}
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*26 November 2007 Hi540 added the following (incomplete) entry to the Wikitravel page “Greenville (South Carolina)” "Bob Jones University Museum and Gallery, 1700 Wade Hampton Blvd., [5]. Tu-Sunday, 2-5. Closed Monday. A thorough presentation of European Old Masters from the fourteenth through the nineteenth centuries including one of the finest collections of Italian Baroque painting in the United States. Includes religious art by Rubens, van Dyck, Reni, Tintoretto, Le Brun, Cranach, Ribera, and Murillo set among period furniture, sculpture, tapestries, and porcelains." {{link|url=http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Greenville_(South_Carolina)&diff=prev&oldid=710764}}
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*August 14, 2007. "Tracking Wikipedia's Not-So-Neutral Editors." Web surfers can watch as an editor from Bob Jones University calls the campus museum “the great collection of religious art in the Western Hemisphere.” Comment #2: "The Bob Jones University Museum and Gallery may not “the great collection of religious art in the Western Hemisphere,” but there are few that surpass it in either quality or size. Sounds outrageous. It just happens to be true." — John Matzko Aug 16, 05:48 PM {{link|url=http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/index.php?id=2302}}
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=====Bushman=====
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*I once heard Richard Bushman discuss the BoA and eventually turned my eyes away from his because I was embarrassed for him.--John Foxe 22:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
*"...Bushman's a patriarch (as well as a super-nice guy)."--John Foxe 23:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lost_116_pages#Tweaks}}
*"I've met Jan Shipps and heard her lecture on several occasions. She's a very nice lady. If I were a better photographer, I would have uploaded to Wikimedia Commons a picture that I took of her several years ago during an interchange she had with Richard Bushman."--John Foxe (talk) 14:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
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*Photo of Richard Bushman by John Matzko. {{link|url=http://nn.byu.edu/story.cfm/66195}}
*The ''Dialogue'' article thanks “participants in the 2005 NEH Seminar on ‘Joseph Smith and the Origins of Mormonism’ for criticism of an earlier draft. Especially valuable were the comments of Richard Bushman, seminar co-director, and Mark Sidwell, the author’s colleague at BJU.
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=====Law=====
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*I have a better-than-average knowledge of the law, but I am not now, nor ever have been, a lawyer.--John Foxe 10:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
*Here I sit with a contract for a dead-tree encyclopedia article in front of me, with the amount of money they are going to pay me to write it, and I recall Bytebear characterizing my writing as "drivel." I'm going to revert to the earlier page, and I want him or someone else to tell me what about it is "drivel."--John Foxe 11:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#.22Drivel.22}}
*Ironically the encyclopedia piece in question deals with an aspect of the law....It would also be nice for Bytebear to apologize for calling my writing "drivel."--John Foxe 11:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#.22Drivel.22}}
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*Matzko, John A., "'The Best Men of the Bar': The Founding of the American Bar Association," in The New High Priests: Lawyers in Post-Civil War America, edited by Gerard W. Gawalt, Westport, Conn.: Greenwood Press, 1984, pp. 75-96. {{link|url=http://www.answers.com/topic/american-bar-association}}
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=====Story of the chicken thief=====
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*(You may have heard the story of the chicken farmer who refused to press charges against the chicken thief because he didn't want to be associated with chicken thieves.) And there will be no sock puppetry or meat puppetry on my part. It would be nice to have an ally occasionally, but I won't stoop to creating or recruiting them. --John Foxe 11:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#Arbitration}}
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* Comment from: John_Matzko [Visitor] · http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about
<blockquote>
There's an old story about a farmer who caught a thief stealing his chickens. The sheriff was called, but the farmer said he didn't want to press charges. "Why not?" said the sheriff. "Because I don't want to be associated with a chicken thief."
Permalink 10/23/06 @ 17:34 {{link|url=http://remonstrans.net/index.php/2006/10/20/an_oscar_for_maranatha_baptist_bible_col}}
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User:InProgress/488593/Sock

2010-09-15T01:04:00Z

InProgress: /* Relationship of John "Foxe" and "Hi540"= */ mod

===Relationship of John "Foxe" and "Hi540"===
<blockquote>
<center>
''I admit that it would be nice to have a non-Mormon ally at Mormon articles, but I long ago promised not to create sock puppets or attempt to recruit others to support my views. That's a promise I've kept and intend to keep.'' 
—John Foxe (6 December 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John_Foxe&diff=176231278&oldid=176219280}}
 
''...there will be no sock puppetry or meat puppetry on my part. It would be nice to have an ally occasionally, but I won't stoop to creating or recruiting them. 
—John Foxe (3 November 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#Arbitration}}
</center>
</blockquote>

The following table compares three individuals: two are imaginary, and one is real. You may draw your own conclusions.
{| valign="top" border="1" style="width:100%; font-size:85%"
!width="5%"|*
!width="31%"|John "Foxe"
!width="32%"|"Hi540"
!width="32%"|A well known professor at BJU
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=====Music=====
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*"Among other things, I'm a serious amateur violist; and I also play the recorder on occasion." "John Foxe," 27 April 2006 {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bob_Jones_University&diff=prev&oldid=55808996}}
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*"John is an amateur musician who has enjoyed playing the violin, viola, and recorder in campus, church, and community groups." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====History=====
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*"Once or twice a year I have occasion to mention the thalidomide case in the course of my work. (John Foxe, 9 September 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tr%C3%B6del/Archive_6&diff=prev&oldid=74713900}}
*"Hey, Foxe, I have a question for you. Did you graduate from and/or do you work at or have family at BJU?" CyberAnth (27 October 2006) "Foxe" responds: "Sounds like a good bet to me:)" --John Foxe (27 October 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bob_Jones_University/Archive_0004#Charles D. Provan}}
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*The user name "Hi540" is the course designation for "History 540" at Bob Jones University. The following is from the BJU course catalog:
<blockquote>
'''Hi 540 - Historical Research & Writing''' 
Techniques of historical research, analysis and composition culminating in a formal article-length paper based in part on primary documentation. Required of all students majoring in History. {{link|url=http://www.bju.edu/academics/courses/?subject=History}}
</blockquote>
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*"John teaches history at Bob Jones University" {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
*Dr. Matzko teaches the BJU course "Historical Research and Writing" {{link|url=http://lincolnmullen.com/index.php?s=matzko}}
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=====Historiography=====
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*"'Historiography' is the principles, methodology, or history of writing history. An excellent historiography of Mormonism is Walker, Whittaker, and Allen, Mormon History (2001)."--John Foxe 11:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mormonism_and_history#Merge_with_Mormon_apologetics.3F}}
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*Dr. Matzko teaches a BJU course called "Historiography." {{link|url=http://lincolnmullen.com/index.php?s=matzko}}
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=====Publication=====
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*"I have in my possession a personal rejection letter from ''BYU Studies'' which, although very courteous, makes it clear that the reason for the rejection of an article of mine was ideological. (And yes, the article was later published in a peer reviewed journal.)"--John Foxe (talk) 14:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Oliver_Cowdery#View_of_the_Hebrews}}
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*John Matzko, "The Encounter of the Young Joseph Smith with Presbyterianism," ''Dialogue'' {{link|url=http://www.dialoguejournal.com/store/?id=177}}
*"You might be interested to know that I first submitted that article to BYU Studies and received a painfully polite letter noting that it had been rejected by a unanimous decision of the board, a “half dozen academic scholars who have written extensively on Latter-day Saint history." {{link|url=http://religioninamerica.org/2010/01/12/writing-about-the-supernatural-or-fawn-brodie-vs-richard-bushman/}}
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=====Languages=====
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*Learning French. French is listed as being spoken at the "elementary" level as of 17 July 2006. "John Foxe" user page. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:John_Foxe&diff=64374771&oldid=62366319}}
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*Learning French. French is listed as being spoken at the "intermediate" level as of 26 September 2007. "Hi540's" user page. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hi540&diff=160541279&oldid=160540018}}
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=====BJU Grad=====
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*"Hey, Foxe, I have a question for you. Did you graduate from and/or do you work at or have family at BJU?" CyberAnth (27 October 2006) "Foxe" responds: "Sounds like a good bet to me:)" --John Foxe (27 October 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bob_Jones_University/Archive_0004#Charles_D._Provan}}
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*Graduated from BJU. Wife teaches English at BJU. Dr. Matzko "eventually earned degrees from Bob Jones University, the University of Cincinnati and the University of Virginia." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====BJU Faculty=====
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*"As a BJU faculty member old enough to have heard Bob Jones Sr. in person, I reverted your edit because it is incorrect." "Hi540" (10 September 2008} {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:KJB-AV&diff=prev&oldid=237517551}}
*"I've had various connections with BJU through the years, and WMUU was never the only station to which BJU students could listen when I attended."--Hi540 (9 November 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:WMUU-FM&diff=170408987&oldid=154113567}}
*"While I'm writing this, I'm on the BJU campus listening to WJKF 97.7, and I assure you that no one from the Dean of Students office would blink an eyelash."--"Hi540" (10 November 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:WMUU-FM&diff=170558205&oldid=170408987}}
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*"John [Matzko] teaches history at Bob Jones University, Greenville, South Carolina." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Univ. of Virginia=====
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*Graduated from the University of Virginia. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hi540&diff=249171506&oldid=239589673}}
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*Dr. Matzko "eventually earned degrees from Bob Jones University, the University of Cincinnati and the University of Virginia." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Military=====
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*Served in the military during the time period required to receive the "National Defense Service Medal". {{ref|hi540.military}}
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*Served in the military during the time period required to receive the "National Defense Service Medal". "In 1969, John was drafted into the U.S. Army and served eighteen months in the Honor Guard, including a tour of duty as a sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknowns in Arlington National Cemetery." Serving during this period would qualify Dr. Matzko to receive the "National Defense Service Medal." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Married=====
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*"A few months ago when my wife noted a a couple sentences about D[wight] G[ustafson] in the local newspaper, she said, 'That sounds just like you.'" (John Foxe, , (28 February 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jeffrey_O._Gustafson&diff=prev&oldid=111574192}}
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*Dr. Matzko is married. {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Churches=====
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*I asked my wife ... and she too couldn't remember ever hearing anything about that verse, even before we were married and went to different churches.--John Foxe (talk) 16:50, 13 January 2009 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Seer_stone_(Latter_Day_Saints)#Revelation_2.17_and_the_white_stone}}
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*"John became a Christian as a child while attending the Bible Presbyterian Church of Collingswood...[his wife] became a charter member of North Love Baptist Church." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Ancestors=====
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*Parents immigrated from Europe. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Billy_Sunday#Showing_Sunday_as_more_than_one-dimensional}}
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*Parents immigrated from Europe. {{link|url=http://www.konschak.org/soldierintro.htm}}
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=====Matzko=====
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*"I just ran Provan on Google and then my own real, unusual name, and the hits were virtually identical, in the mid-hundreds... --John Foxe (21 December 2006)
*"John Foxe" welcomed John Matzko's son Austin to Wikpedia. (11 March 2009) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Austin_Matzko&diff=prev&oldid=276584777}}
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*Editor “Hi540” uploaded a picture of Lake Santeetlah to Wikimedia Commons on May 18, 2008. The source is “own work” and the copyright holder is John Matzko. {{link|url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LakeSanteetlah(lake).jpg}}
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*The photo uploaded to Wikicommons happens to be the same photo that Dr. Matzko displays on his web page. {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/}}
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=====BJU Art Gallery=====
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*Response to Previous Art Gallery post. Do some research about the BJU M&G; not only can I personally attest to the validity of that statement (having toured the Gallery on an occasion), but there is considerable respect online among art historians. There are paintings by very famous masters such as Veronese, Titian, Tintoretto, Benjamin West, and many more. I would not say that such a statement is "blatantly false.” John Foxe 13:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bob_Jones_University&diff=prev&oldid=49914298#Art_Gallery}}
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*26 November 2007 Hi540 added the following (incomplete) entry to the Wikitravel page “Greenville (South Carolina)” "Bob Jones University Museum and Gallery, 1700 Wade Hampton Blvd., [5]. Tu-Sunday, 2-5. Closed Monday. A thorough presentation of European Old Masters from the fourteenth through the nineteenth centuries including one of the finest collections of Italian Baroque painting in the United States. Includes religious art by Rubens, van Dyck, Reni, Tintoretto, Le Brun, Cranach, Ribera, and Murillo set among period furniture, sculpture, tapestries, and porcelains." {{link|url=http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Greenville_(South_Carolina)&diff=prev&oldid=710764}}
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*August 14, 2007. "Tracking Wikipedia's Not-So-Neutral Editors." Web surfers can watch as an editor from Bob Jones University calls the campus museum “the great collection of religious art in the Western Hemisphere.” Comment #2: "The Bob Jones University Museum and Gallery may not “the great collection of religious art in the Western Hemisphere,” but there are few that surpass it in either quality or size. Sounds outrageous. It just happens to be true." — John Matzko Aug 16, 05:48 PM {{link|url=http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/index.php?id=2302}}
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=====Bushman=====
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*I once heard Richard Bushman discuss the BoA and eventually turned my eyes away from his because I was embarrassed for him.--John Foxe 22:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
*"...Bushman's a patriarch (as well as a super-nice guy)."--John Foxe 23:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lost_116_pages#Tweaks}}
*"I've met Jan Shipps and heard her lecture on several occasions. She's a very nice lady. If I were a better photographer, I would have uploaded to Wikimedia Commons a picture that I took of her several years ago during an interchange she had with Richard Bushman."--John Foxe (talk) 14:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
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*Photo of Richard Bushman by John Matzko. {{link|url=http://nn.byu.edu/story.cfm/66195}}
*The ''Dialogue'' article thanks “participants in the 2005 NEH Seminar on ‘Joseph Smith and the Origins of Mormonism’ for criticism of an earlier draft. Especially valuable were the comments of Richard Bushman, seminar co-director, and Mark Sidwell, the author’s colleague at BJU.
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=====Law=====
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*I have a better-than-average knowledge of the law, but I am not now, nor ever have been, a lawyer.--John Foxe 10:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
*Here I sit with a contract for a dead-tree encyclopedia article in front of me, with the amount of money they are going to pay me to write it, and I recall Bytebear characterizing my writing as "drivel." I'm going to revert to the earlier page, and I want him or someone else to tell me what about it is "drivel."--John Foxe 11:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#.22Drivel.22}}
*Ironically the encyclopedia piece in question deals with an aspect of the law....It would also be nice for Bytebear to apologize for calling my writing "drivel."--John Foxe 11:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#.22Drivel.22}}
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*Matzko, John A., "'The Best Men of the Bar': The Founding of the American Bar Association," in The New High Priests: Lawyers in Post-Civil War America, edited by Gerard W. Gawalt, Westport, Conn.: Greenwood Press, 1984, pp. 75-96. {{link|url=http://www.answers.com/topic/american-bar-association}}
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=====Story of the chicken thief=====
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*(You may have heard the story of the chicken farmer who refused to press charges against the chicken thief because he didn't want to be associated with chicken thieves.) And there will be no sock puppetry or meat puppetry on my part. It would be nice to have an ally occasionally, but I won't stoop to creating or recruiting them. --John Foxe 11:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#Arbitration}}
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* Comment from: John_Matzko [Visitor] · http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about
<blockquote>
There's an old story about a farmer who caught a thief stealing his chickens. The sheriff was called, but the farmer said he didn't want to press charges. "Why not?" said the sheriff. "Because I don't want to be associated with a chicken thief."
Permalink 10/23/06 @ 17:34 {{link|url=http://remonstrans.net/index.php/2006/10/20/an_oscar_for_maranatha_baptist_bible_col}}
</blockquote>
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User:InProgress/488593/Sock

2010-09-15T01:03:40Z

InProgress: create

==Relationship of John "Foxe" and "Hi540"===
<blockquote>
<center>
''I admit that it would be nice to have a non-Mormon ally at Mormon articles, but I long ago promised not to create sock puppets or attempt to recruit others to support my views. That's a promise I've kept and intend to keep.'' 
—John Foxe (6 December 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John_Foxe&diff=176231278&oldid=176219280}}
 
''...there will be no sock puppetry or meat puppetry on my part. It would be nice to have an ally occasionally, but I won't stoop to creating or recruiting them. 
—John Foxe (3 November 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#Arbitration}}
</center>
</blockquote>

The following table compares three individuals: two are imaginary, and one is real. You may draw your own conclusions.
{| valign="top" border="1" style="width:100%; font-size:85%"
!width="5%"|*
!width="31%"|John "Foxe"
!width="32%"|"Hi540"
!width="32%"|A well known professor at BJU
|-
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=====Music=====
||
*"Among other things, I'm a serious amateur violist; and I also play the recorder on occasion." "John Foxe," 27 April 2006 {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bob_Jones_University&diff=prev&oldid=55808996}}
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*"John is an amateur musician who has enjoyed playing the violin, viola, and recorder in campus, church, and community groups." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====History=====
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*"Once or twice a year I have occasion to mention the thalidomide case in the course of my work. (John Foxe, 9 September 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tr%C3%B6del/Archive_6&diff=prev&oldid=74713900}}
*"Hey, Foxe, I have a question for you. Did you graduate from and/or do you work at or have family at BJU?" CyberAnth (27 October 2006) "Foxe" responds: "Sounds like a good bet to me:)" --John Foxe (27 October 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bob_Jones_University/Archive_0004#Charles D. Provan}}
||
*The user name "Hi540" is the course designation for "History 540" at Bob Jones University. The following is from the BJU course catalog:
<blockquote>
'''Hi 540 - Historical Research & Writing''' 
Techniques of historical research, analysis and composition culminating in a formal article-length paper based in part on primary documentation. Required of all students majoring in History. {{link|url=http://www.bju.edu/academics/courses/?subject=History}}
</blockquote>
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*"John teaches history at Bob Jones University" {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
*Dr. Matzko teaches the BJU course "Historical Research and Writing" {{link|url=http://lincolnmullen.com/index.php?s=matzko}}
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=====Historiography=====
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*"'Historiography' is the principles, methodology, or history of writing history. An excellent historiography of Mormonism is Walker, Whittaker, and Allen, Mormon History (2001)."--John Foxe 11:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mormonism_and_history#Merge_with_Mormon_apologetics.3F}}
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*Dr. Matzko teaches a BJU course called "Historiography." {{link|url=http://lincolnmullen.com/index.php?s=matzko}}
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=====Publication=====
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*"I have in my possession a personal rejection letter from ''BYU Studies'' which, although very courteous, makes it clear that the reason for the rejection of an article of mine was ideological. (And yes, the article was later published in a peer reviewed journal.)"--John Foxe (talk) 14:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Oliver_Cowdery#View_of_the_Hebrews}}
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*John Matzko, "The Encounter of the Young Joseph Smith with Presbyterianism," ''Dialogue'' {{link|url=http://www.dialoguejournal.com/store/?id=177}}
*"You might be interested to know that I first submitted that article to BYU Studies and received a painfully polite letter noting that it had been rejected by a unanimous decision of the board, a “half dozen academic scholars who have written extensively on Latter-day Saint history." {{link|url=http://religioninamerica.org/2010/01/12/writing-about-the-supernatural-or-fawn-brodie-vs-richard-bushman/}}
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=====Languages=====
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*Learning French. French is listed as being spoken at the "elementary" level as of 17 July 2006. "John Foxe" user page. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:John_Foxe&diff=64374771&oldid=62366319}}
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*Learning French. French is listed as being spoken at the "intermediate" level as of 26 September 2007. "Hi540's" user page. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hi540&diff=160541279&oldid=160540018}}
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=====BJU Grad=====
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*"Hey, Foxe, I have a question for you. Did you graduate from and/or do you work at or have family at BJU?" CyberAnth (27 October 2006) "Foxe" responds: "Sounds like a good bet to me:)" --John Foxe (27 October 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bob_Jones_University/Archive_0004#Charles_D._Provan}}
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*Graduated from BJU. Wife teaches English at BJU. Dr. Matzko "eventually earned degrees from Bob Jones University, the University of Cincinnati and the University of Virginia." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====BJU Faculty=====
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*"As a BJU faculty member old enough to have heard Bob Jones Sr. in person, I reverted your edit because it is incorrect." "Hi540" (10 September 2008} {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:KJB-AV&diff=prev&oldid=237517551}}
*"I've had various connections with BJU through the years, and WMUU was never the only station to which BJU students could listen when I attended."--Hi540 (9 November 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:WMUU-FM&diff=170408987&oldid=154113567}}
*"While I'm writing this, I'm on the BJU campus listening to WJKF 97.7, and I assure you that no one from the Dean of Students office would blink an eyelash."--"Hi540" (10 November 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:WMUU-FM&diff=170558205&oldid=170408987}}
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*"John [Matzko] teaches history at Bob Jones University, Greenville, South Carolina." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Univ. of Virginia=====
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*Graduated from the University of Virginia. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hi540&diff=249171506&oldid=239589673}}
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*Dr. Matzko "eventually earned degrees from Bob Jones University, the University of Cincinnati and the University of Virginia." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Military=====
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*Served in the military during the time period required to receive the "National Defense Service Medal". {{ref|hi540.military}}
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*Served in the military during the time period required to receive the "National Defense Service Medal". "In 1969, John was drafted into the U.S. Army and served eighteen months in the Honor Guard, including a tour of duty as a sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknowns in Arlington National Cemetery." Serving during this period would qualify Dr. Matzko to receive the "National Defense Service Medal." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Married=====
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*"A few months ago when my wife noted a a couple sentences about D[wight] G[ustafson] in the local newspaper, she said, 'That sounds just like you.'" (John Foxe, , (28 February 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jeffrey_O._Gustafson&diff=prev&oldid=111574192}}
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*Dr. Matzko is married. {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Churches=====
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*I asked my wife ... and she too couldn't remember ever hearing anything about that verse, even before we were married and went to different churches.--John Foxe (talk) 16:50, 13 January 2009 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Seer_stone_(Latter_Day_Saints)#Revelation_2.17_and_the_white_stone}}
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*"John became a Christian as a child while attending the Bible Presbyterian Church of Collingswood...[his wife] became a charter member of North Love Baptist Church." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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=====Ancestors=====
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*Parents immigrated from Europe. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Billy_Sunday#Showing_Sunday_as_more_than_one-dimensional}}
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*"I just ran Provan on Google and then my own real, unusual name, and the hits were virtually identical, in the mid-hundreds... --John Foxe (21 December 2006)
*"John Foxe" welcomed John Matzko's son Austin to Wikpedia. (11 March 2009) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Austin_Matzko&diff=prev&oldid=276584777}}
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*Editor “Hi540” uploaded a picture of Lake Santeetlah to Wikimedia Commons on May 18, 2008. The source is “own work” and the copyright holder is John Matzko. {{link|url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LakeSanteetlah(lake).jpg}}
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*Response to Previous Art Gallery post. Do some research about the BJU M&G; not only can I personally attest to the validity of that statement (having toured the Gallery on an occasion), but there is considerable respect online among art historians. There are paintings by very famous masters such as Veronese, Titian, Tintoretto, Benjamin West, and many more. I would not say that such a statement is "blatantly false.” John Foxe 13:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bob_Jones_University&diff=prev&oldid=49914298#Art_Gallery}}
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*26 November 2007 Hi540 added the following (incomplete) entry to the Wikitravel page “Greenville (South Carolina)” "Bob Jones University Museum and Gallery, 1700 Wade Hampton Blvd., [5]. Tu-Sunday, 2-5. Closed Monday. A thorough presentation of European Old Masters from the fourteenth through the nineteenth centuries including one of the finest collections of Italian Baroque painting in the United States. Includes religious art by Rubens, van Dyck, Reni, Tintoretto, Le Brun, Cranach, Ribera, and Murillo set among period furniture, sculpture, tapestries, and porcelains." {{link|url=http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Greenville_(South_Carolina)&diff=prev&oldid=710764}}
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*August 14, 2007. "Tracking Wikipedia's Not-So-Neutral Editors." Web surfers can watch as an editor from Bob Jones University calls the campus museum “the great collection of religious art in the Western Hemisphere.” Comment #2: "The Bob Jones University Museum and Gallery may not “the great collection of religious art in the Western Hemisphere,” but there are few that surpass it in either quality or size. Sounds outrageous. It just happens to be true." — John Matzko Aug 16, 05:48 PM {{link|url=http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/index.php?id=2302}}
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*I once heard Richard Bushman discuss the BoA and eventually turned my eyes away from his because I was embarrassed for him.--John Foxe 22:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
*"...Bushman's a patriarch (as well as a super-nice guy)."--John Foxe 23:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lost_116_pages#Tweaks}}
*"I've met Jan Shipps and heard her lecture on several occasions. She's a very nice lady. If I were a better photographer, I would have uploaded to Wikimedia Commons a picture that I took of her several years ago during an interchange she had with Richard Bushman."--John Foxe (talk) 14:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
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*The ''Dialogue'' article thanks “participants in the 2005 NEH Seminar on ‘Joseph Smith and the Origins of Mormonism’ for criticism of an earlier draft. Especially valuable were the comments of Richard Bushman, seminar co-director, and Mark Sidwell, the author’s colleague at BJU.
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*I have a better-than-average knowledge of the law, but I am not now, nor ever have been, a lawyer.--John Foxe 10:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
*Here I sit with a contract for a dead-tree encyclopedia article in front of me, with the amount of money they are going to pay me to write it, and I recall Bytebear characterizing my writing as "drivel." I'm going to revert to the earlier page, and I want him or someone else to tell me what about it is "drivel."--John Foxe 11:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#.22Drivel.22}}
*Ironically the encyclopedia piece in question deals with an aspect of the law....It would also be nice for Bytebear to apologize for calling my writing "drivel."--John Foxe 11:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#.22Drivel.22}}
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*Matzko, John A., "'The Best Men of the Bar': The Founding of the American Bar Association," in The New High Priests: Lawyers in Post-Civil War America, edited by Gerard W. Gawalt, Westport, Conn.: Greenwood Press, 1984, pp. 75-96. {{link|url=http://www.answers.com/topic/american-bar-association}}
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*(You may have heard the story of the chicken farmer who refused to press charges against the chicken thief because he didn't want to be associated with chicken thieves.) And there will be no sock puppetry or meat puppetry on my part. It would be nice to have an ally occasionally, but I won't stoop to creating or recruiting them. --John Foxe 11:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#Arbitration}}
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There's an old story about a farmer who caught a thief stealing his chickens. The sheriff was called, but the farmer said he didn't want to press charges. "Why not?" said the sheriff. "Because I don't want to be associated with a chicken thief."
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==Criticism==
*Critics claim that Joseph didn't become "partial to the Methodist sect" until at least 1823, after Alvin's death, or as late as 1838, rather than in 1820 as he claimed in his 1838 First Vision account.

===Source(s) of the criticism===
*{{CriticalWork:Wikipedia:First Vision}}
*{{CriticalWork:Matzko:Young Joseph Smith|pages=71}}

==Response==
<blockquote>
<center>
''I became partial to the Methodist sect...'' 
—Joseph Smith's 1838 First Vision account
</center>
</blockquote>
{{parabreak}}

The Wikipedia article "First Vision" (as of May 18, 2009) contains the assertion:
<blockquote>
While [Joseph] almost certainly never formally joined the Methodist church, he did associate himself with the Methodists eight years after he said he had been instructed by God not to join any established denomination.
</blockquote>

Matzko claims:
<blockquote>
Although Joseph later wrote that his “Father’s family was proselyted to the Presbyterian faith,”—rather than emphasizing his mother’s membership—the death of Alvin and the arrival of Stockton seem to have driven both Smith and his father (who glided easily between religious skepticism and folk mysticism) farther from the Presbyterian church and its Calvinistic
doctrine.17 It was probably during this period that Joseph “became partial to the Methodist sect,” whose opposition to Reformed doctrine was notorious.
</blockquote>

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==Conclusion==
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==Endnotes==

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{{Epigraph|It is easy enough to spin webs of speculation...''
 
—Dr. John Matzko, Professor of History, Bob Jones University. 
"The Encounter of the Young Joseph Smith with Presbyterianism," ''Dialogue'' 40/3 (2007), p. 77 }}
{{parabreak}}

{{Epigraph|...every time you start citing Wikipedia rules, I tune them out as Mormon smokescreen. 
—Wikipedia editor John "Foxe" (23 July 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_6#Breaking_the_collaborative_truce}} }}
{{parabreak}}
==FAIR's approach to Wikipedia articles==
FAIR regularly receives queries about specific LDS-themed Wikipedia articles with requests that we somehow "fix" them. Although some individual members of FAIR may choose to edit Wikipedia articles, FAIR as an organization does not. Controversial Wikipedia articles require constant maintenance and a significant amount of time. We prefer instead to respond to claims in the FAIR Wiki rather than fight the ongoing battle that LDS Wikipedia articles sometimes invite. From FAIR’s perspective, assertions made in LDS-themed Wikipedia articles are therefore treated just like any other critical (or, if one prefers, "anti-Mormon") work.

Given the fluid nature of LDS Wikipedia articles, it is pointless to perform a detailed review and analysis of many of them. There is a specific subset of LDS articles, however, that has been "stabilized" by one editor critical of LDS views, thus allowing us to perform a more detailed analysis.

Editors who wish to participate in editing LDS-themed Wikipedia articles can access the project page here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Latter_Day_Saint_movement Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement]. You are not required to be LDS in order to participate--there are a number of good non-LDS editors who have made valuable contributions to these articles.

The following sub-articles discuss various aspects of editing LDS-themed articles on Wikipedia. In addition, we analyze certain selected Wikipedia articles for accuracy and fairness.

===Common questions FAIR is asked about LDS Wikipedia articles===
{{Main|/Questions|l1=Common questions FAIR is asked about LDS Wikipedia articles}}

===Who edits LDS Wikipedia articles?===
{{Main|/Editors|l1=Editors of LDS related Wikipedia articles}}
Who edits LDS Wikipedia articles? We introduce you to a few of the critical editors who have caught our attention that you are most likely to encounter.

===The perils of editing LDS Wikipedia articles===
{{Main|/Academic among amateurs|l1=A study in contrasts: An academic among amateurs}}
What happens when a "real world" academic attempts to improve Wikipedia articles and make them reflect his version of "truth?" We discuss the issue in detail here.

===FAIR's analysis of LDS Wikipedia articles===
We examine selected Wikipedia articles and examine them on a "claim-by-claim" basis, with links to responses in the FAIR Wiki.
====An analysis of the Wikipedia article "First Vision"====
{{Main|/First Vision|l1=First Vision}}

====An analysis of the Wikipedia article "Joseph Smith, Jr."====
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{{Epigraph|It is easy enough to spin webs of speculation...''
 
—Dr. John Matzko, Professor of History, Bob Jones University. 
"The Encounter of the Young Joseph Smith with Presbyterianism," ''Dialogue'' 40/3 (2007), p. 77 }}
{{parabreak}}

{{Epigraph|...every time you start citing Wikipedia rules, I tune them out as Mormon smokescreen. 
—Wikipedia editor John "Foxe" (23 July 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_6#Breaking_the_collaborative_truce}} }}
{{parabreak}}
==FAIR's approach to Wikipedia articles==
FAIR regularly receives queries about specific LDS-themed Wikipedia articles with requests that we somehow "fix" them. Although some individual members of FAIR may choose to edit Wikipedia articles, FAIR as an organization does not. Controversial Wikipedia articles require constant maintenance and a significant amount of time. We prefer instead to respond to claims in the FAIR Wiki rather than fight the ongoing battle that LDS Wikipedia articles sometimes invite. From FAIR’s perspective, assertions made in LDS-themed Wikipedia articles are therefore treated just like any other critical (or, if one prefers, "anti-Mormon") work.

Given the fluid nature of LDS Wikipedia articles, it is pointless to perform a detailed review and analysis of many of them. There is a specific subset of LDS articles, however, that has been "stabilized" by one editor critical of LDS views, thus allowing us to perform a more detailed analysis.

Editors who wish to participate in editing LDS-themed Wikipedia articles can access the project page here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Latter_Day_Saint_movement Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement]. You are not required to be LDS in order to participate--there are a number of good non-LDS editors who have made valuable contributions to these articles.

The following sub-articles discuss various aspects of editing LDS-themed articles on Wikipedia. In addition, we analyze certain selected Wikipedia articles for accuracy and fairness.

===Common questions FAIR is asked about LDS Wikipedia articles===
{{Main|/Questions|l1=Common questions FAIR is asked about LDS Wikipedia articles}}

===Who edits LDS Wikipedia articles?===
{{Main|/Editors|l1=Editors of LDS related Wikipedia articles}}
Who edits LDS Wikipedia articles? We introduce you to a few of the critical editors who have caught our attention that you are most likely to encounter.

===The perils of editing LDS Wikipedia articles===
{{Main|/Academic among amateurs|l1=A study in contrasts: An academic among amateurs}}
What happens when a "real world" academic attempts to improve Wikipedia articles and make them reflect his version of "truth?" We discuss the issue in detail here.

===FAIR's analysis of LDS Wikipedia articles===
We examine selected Wikipedia articles and examine them on a "claim-by-claim" basis, with links to responses in the FAIR Wiki.
====An analysis of the Wikipedia article "First Vision"====
{{Main|/First Vision|l1=First Vision}}

====A detailed claim-by-claim analysis of Wikipedia article "Joseph Smith, Jr."====
{{Main|/Joseph Smith, Jr.|l1=Joseph Smith, Jr.}}
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=Mormonism and Wikipedia=
{{Epigraph|It is easy enough to spin webs of speculation...''
 
—Dr. John Matzko, Professor of History, Bob Jones University. 
"The Encounter of the Young Joseph Smith with Presbyterianism," ''Dialogue'' 40/3 (2007), p. 77 }}
{{parabreak}}

{{Epigraph|...every time you start citing Wikipedia rules, I tune them out as Mormon smokescreen. 
—Wikipedia editor John "Foxe" (23 July 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_6#Breaking_the_collaborative_truce}} }}
{{parabreak}}
==FAIR's approach to Wikipedia articles==
FAIR regularly receives queries about specific LDS-themed Wikipedia articles with requests that we somehow "fix" them. Although some individual members of FAIR may choose to edit Wikipedia articles, FAIR as an organization does not. Controversial Wikipedia articles require constant maintenance and a significant amount of time. We prefer instead to respond to claims in the FAIR Wiki rather than fight the ongoing battle that LDS Wikipedia articles sometimes invite. From FAIR’s perspective, assertions made in LDS-themed Wikipedia articles are therefore treated just like any other critical (or, if one prefers, "anti-Mormon") work.

Given the fluid nature of LDS Wikipedia articles, it is pointless to perform a detailed review and analysis of many of them. There is a specific subset of LDS articles, however, that has been "stabilized" by one editor critical of LDS views, thus allowing us to perform a more detailed analysis.

Editors who wish to participate in editing LDS-themed Wikipedia articles can access the project page here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Latter_Day_Saint_movement Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement]. You are not required to be LDS in order to participate--there are a number of good non-LDS editors who have made valuable contributions to these articles.

The following sub-articles discuss various aspects of editing LDS-themed articles on Wikipedia. In addition, we analyze certain selected Wikipedia articles for accuracy and fairness.

===Common questions FAIR is asked about LDS Wikipedia articles===
{{Main|/Questions|l1=Common questions FAIR is asked about LDS Wikipedia articles}}

===Who edits LDS Wikipedia articles?===
{{Main|/Editors|l1=Editors of LDS related Wikipedia articles}}
Who edits LDS Wikipedia articles? We introduce you to a few of the critical editors who have caught our attention that you are most likely to encounter.

===The perils of editing LDS Wikipedia articles===
{{Main|/Academic among amateurs|l1=A study in contrasts: An academic among amateurs}}
What happens when a "real world" academic attempts to improve Wikipedia articles and make them reflect his version of "truth?" We discuss the issue in detail here.

===FAIR's analysis of LDS Wikipedia articles===
We examine selected Wikipedia articles and examine them on a "claim-by-claim" basis, with links to responses in the FAIR Wiki.
====An analysis of the Wikipedia article "First Vision"====
{{Main|/First Vision|l1=First Vision}}

====Wikipedia article "Joseph Smith, Jr."====
{{Main|/Joseph Smith, Jr.|l1=Joseph Smith, Jr.}}
{{Suggestions}}

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=Mormonism and Wikipedia=
{{Epigraph|It is easy enough to spin webs of speculation...''
 
—Dr. John Matzko, Professor of History, Bob Jones University. 
"The Encounter of the Young Joseph Smith with Presbyterianism," ''Dialogue'' 40/3 (2007), p. 77 }}
{{parabreak}}

{{Epigraph|...every time you start citing Wikipedia rules, I tune them out as Mormon smokescreen. 
—Wikipedia editor John "Foxe" (23 July 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_6#Breaking_the_collaborative_truce}} }}
{{parabreak}}
==FAIR's approach to Wikipedia articles==
FAIR regularly receives queries about specific LDS-themed Wikipedia articles with requests that we somehow "fix" them. Although some individual members of FAIR may choose to edit Wikipedia articles, FAIR as an organization does not. Controversial Wikipedia articles require constant maintenance and a significant amount of time. We prefer instead to respond to claims in the FAIR Wiki rather than fight the ongoing battle that LDS Wikipedia articles sometimes invite. From FAIR’s perspective, assertions made in LDS-themed Wikipedia articles are therefore treated just like any other critical (or, if one prefers, "anti-Mormon") work.

Given the fluid nature of LDS Wikipedia articles, it is pointless to perform a detailed review and analysis of many of them. There is a specific subset of LDS articles, however, that has been "stabilized" by one editor critical of LDS views, thus allowing us to perform a more detailed analysis.

Editors who wish to participate in editing LDS-themed Wikipedia articles can access the project page here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Latter_Day_Saint_movement Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement]. You are not required to be LDS in order to participate--there are a number of good non-LDS editors who have made valuable contributions to these articles.

The following sub-articles discuss various aspects of editing LDS-themed articles on Wikipedia. In addition, we analyze certain selected Wikipedia articles for accuracy and fairness.

===Common questions FAIR is asked about LDS Wikipedia articles===
{{Main|/Questions|l1=Common questions FAIR is asked about LDS Wikipedia articles}}

===Who edits LDS Wikipedia articles?===
{{Main|/Editors|l1=Editors of LDS related Wikipedia articles}}
Who edits LDS Wikipedia articles? We introduce you to a few of the critical editors who have caught our attention that you are most likely to encounter.

===The perils of editing LDS Wikipedia articles===
{{Main|/Academic among amateurs|l1=A study in contrasts: An academic among amateurs}}
What happens when a "real world" academic attempts to improve Wikipedia articles and make them reflect his version of "truth?" We discuss the issue in detail here.

===FAIR's analysis of LDS Wikipedia articles===
We examine selected Wikipedia articles and examine them on a "claim-by-claim" basis, with links to responses in the FAIR Wiki.
====Wikipedia article "First Vision"====
{{Main|/First Vision|l1=First Vision}}

====Wikipedia article "Joseph Smith, Jr."====
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"The Encounter of the Young Joseph Smith with Presbyterianism," ''Dialogue'' 40/3 (2007), p. 77 }}
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{{Epigraph|...every time you start citing Wikipedia rules, I tune them out as Mormon smokescreen. 
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==FAIR's approach to Wikipedia articles==
FAIR regularly receives queries about specific LDS-themed Wikipedia articles with requests that we somehow "fix" them. Although some individual members of FAIR may choose to edit Wikipedia articles, FAIR as an organization does not. Controversial Wikipedia articles require constant maintenance and a significant amount of time. We prefer instead to respond to claims in the FAIR Wiki rather than fight the ongoing battle that LDS Wikipedia articles sometimes invite. From FAIR’s perspective, assertions made in LDS-themed Wikipedia articles are therefore treated just like any other critical (or, if one prefers, "anti-Mormon") work.

Given the fluid nature of LDS Wikipedia articles, it is pointless to perform a detailed review and analysis of many of them. There is a specific subset of LDS articles, however, that has been "stabilized" by one editor critical of LDS views, thus allowing us to perform a more detailed analysis.

Editors who wish to participate in editing LDS-themed Wikipedia articles can access the project page here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Latter_Day_Saint_movement Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement]. You are not required to be LDS in order to participate--there are a number of good non-LDS editors who have made valuable contributions to these articles.

The following sub-articles discuss various aspects of editing LDS-themed articles on Wikipedia. In addition, we analyze certain selected Wikipedia articles for accuracy and fairness.

===Common questions FAIR is asked about LDS Wikipedia articles===
{{Main|/Questions|l1=Common questions FAIR is asked about LDS Wikipedia articles}}

===Who edits LDS Wikipedia articles?===
{{Main|/Editors|l1=Editors of LDS related Wikipedia articles}}
Who edits LDS Wikipedia articles? We introduce you to a few of the critical editors who have caught our attention that you are most likely to encounter.

===The perils of editing LDS Wikipedia articles===
{{Main|/Academic among amateurs|l1=A study in contrasts: An academic among amateurs}}
What happens when a "real world" academic attempts to improve Wikipedia articles and make them reflect his version of "truth?" We discuss the issue in detail here.

===FAIR's analysis of LDS Wikipedia articles===
We examine selected Wikipedia articles and examine them on a "claim-by-claim" basis, with links to responses in the FAIR Wiki.
====Wikipedia article "First Vision"====
{{Main|/First Vision|l1=First Vision}}
This is one of the more "stable" LDS articles on Wikipedia. We analyze this article claim by claim. The article has been a literal Wikipedia editing battleground, and the bodies of the fallen litter the landscape.


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{{refbegin|2}}
#{{Citation
| last=Abanes
| first=Richard
| authorlink=Richard Abanes
| year=2002
| title=One Nation Under Gods: A History of the Mormon Church
| place=New York
| publisher=Four Walls Eight Windows
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Allen
| first=James B.
| author-link=James B. Allen (historian)
| title=Emergence of a Fundamental: The Expanding Role of Joseph Smith's First Vision in Mormon Religious Thought
| journal=[[Journal of Mormon History]]
| year=1980
| volume=7
| pages=43–61
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Allen
| first=James B.
| author-link=James B. Allen (historian)
| title=The Significance of Joseph Smith's First Vision in Mormon Thought
| journal=[[Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought]]
| year=1966
| volume=1
| number=3
| url=http://content.lib.utah.edu/cgi-bin/docviewer.exe?CISOROOT=/dialogue&CISOPTR=3783&CISOSHOW=3611
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Anderson
| first=Richard Lloyd
| author-link=Richard Lloyd Anderson
| title=Joseph Smith’s Testimony of the First Vision
| periodical=[[Ensign (magazine)|Ensign]]
|date=April 1996
| url = http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.b12f9d18fae655bb69095bd3e44916a0/?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=67017cf34f40c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Anderson
| first=Richard Lloyd
| author-link=Richard Lloyd Anderson
| title=Circumstantial Confirmation Of the first Vision Through Reminiscences
| journal=[[BYU Studies]]
| volume=9
| issue=3
| year=1969
| pages=373–404
| url = http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/u?/byustudies,59
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Backman
| first=Milton V., Jr.
| authorlink=Milton V. Backman
| title=Awakenings in the Burned-over District: New Light on the Historical Setting of the first Vision
| journal=[[BYU Studies]]
| volume=9
| issue=3
| year=1969
| pages=301–315
| url=https://byustudies.byu.edu/shop/PDFSRC/9.3Backman.pdf
|format=PDF}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Berge
| first=Dale L.
| title=Archaeological Work at the Smith Log House
| journal=[[Ensign (magazine)|Ensign]]
| volume=15
| issue=8
| date=August 1985
| pages=24
| url = http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1985.htm/ensign%20august%201985%20.htm/archaeological%20work%20at%20the%20smith%20log%20house.htm?fn=document-frameset.htm$f=templates$3.0
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Bauder
| first=Peter
| chapter=The Kingdom and the Gospel of Jesus Christ
| year=1834
| chapter-url=http://www.irr.org/mit/first-Vision-Scans/first-vision-1830.html
| editor-last=Vogel
| editor-first=Dan
| editor-link=Dan Vogel
| title=Early Mormon Documents
| volume=1
| publication-year=1996
| place=Salt Lake City
| publisher=[[Signature Books]]
| pages=16–17
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Bitton
| first=Davis
| authorlink=Davis Bitton
| title=Historical Dictionary of Mormonism
| year=1994
| place=Metuchen, New Jersey
| publisher=Scarecrow Press
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Brown
| first=Matthew B.
| authorlink=Matthew B. Brown
| title=Historical or Hysterical— Anti-Mormons and Documentary Sources
| url=http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2004_Anti-Mormons_and_Documentary_Sources.html
| publisher=[[Foundation for Apologetic Information & Research]]
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Bushman
| first=Richard Lyman
| authorlink=Richard Bushman
| title=[[Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling]]
| year=2005
| place=New York
| publisher=[[Alfred A. Knopf|Knopf]]
| isbn=1400042704
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Cowdery
| first=Oliver
| author-link=Oliver Cowdery
| chapter=Minutes of the Church of Christ
| date=[[June 9]] [[1830]]
| chapter-url = http://www.saintswithouthalos.com/m/300609.phtml#ac
| title=Far West Record: Minutes of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1830–1844
| editor-last1=Cannon
| editor-first1=Donald Q.
| editor-link1=Donald Q. Cannon
| editor-last2=Cook
| editor-first2=Lyndon W.
| place=Salt Lake City
| publisher=[[Deseret Book Company]]
| publication-year=1983
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Cowdery
| first=Oliver
| author-link=Oliver Cowdery
| title=Letter III
| journal=[[Latter Day Saints' Messenger and Advocate]]
| volume=1
| issue=3
| pages=41–43
| year=1834
| url = http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/u?/NCMP1820-1846,7037
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Cowdery
| first=Oliver
| author-link=Oliver Cowdery
| title=Letter IV
| journal=[[Latter Day Saints' Messenger and Advocate]]
| volume=1
| issue=5
| pages=77–80
| year=1835
| url = http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/u?/NCMP1820-1846,7058
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Hill
| first=Marvin S.
| title=The First Vision Controversy: A Critique and Reconciliation
| journal=[[Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought]]
| volume=15
| year=1980
| pages=31–46
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Howard
| first=Richard P.
| title=Joseph Smith's First Vision: The RLDS Tradition
| journal=[[Journal of Mormon History]]
| volume=7
| year=1980
| url=http://content.lib.utah.edu/u?/jmh,10017
| pages=23–30
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Howe
| first=Eber Dudley, ed.
| authorlink=Eber Dudley Howe
| title=The Mormon Creed
| journal=The [Painesville] Telegraph
| date=[[April 19]] [[1831]]
| volume=2
| issue=44
| url = http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/OH/paintel2.htm#041931
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Jessee
| first=Dean C.
| authorlink=Dean C. Jessee
| title=How Lovely was the Morning
| journal=[[Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought]]
| year=Spring, 1971
| volume=6
| issue=1
| pages=85
| url = http://content.lib.utah.edu/cgi-bin/docviewer.exe?CISOROOT=/dialogue&CISOPTR=6509
}}.
#{{Citation
| last1=Lewis
| first1=Joseph
| last2=Lewis
| first2=Hiel
| title=Mormon History
| periodical=Amboy Journal
| volume=24
| issue=5
| date=[[April 30]], [[1879]]
| pages=1
| url = http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/IL/miscill3.htm#043079
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Mack
| first=Solomon
| title=A Narraitve <nowiki>[sic]</nowiki> of the Life of Solomon Mack
| publisher=Windsor: Solomon Mack
| year=1811
| url=http://olivercowdery.com/texts/1811Mack.htm
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=McKune
| first=Joshua
| title=Review of Mormonism: Rejoiner to Elder Cadwell
| periodical=Amboy Journal
| volume=24
| issue=11
| date=[[June 11]] [[1879]]
| pages=1
| url=http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/IL/miscill3.htm#061179
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Neibaur
| first=Alexander
| authorlink = Alexander Neibaur
| title=Journal of Alexander Neibaur
| year=1841–48
| url=http://www.neibaur.org/journals/alex.html
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Palmer
| first=Grant H.
| authorlink=Grant Palmer
| title=[[An Insider's View of Mormon Origins]]
| year=2002
| publisher=[[Signature Books]]
| isbn=156085157
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Phelps
| first=W.W., ed.
| author-link=W. W. Phelps
| title=[[A Book of Commandments, for the Government of the Church of Christ]]
| place =[[Independence, Missouri|Zion]]
| publisher = [[William Wines Phelps]] & Co.
| year=1833
| url=http://www.irr.org/mit/BOC/default.html
| format={{dead link|date=June 2008}} – [http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=author%3APhelps+intitle%3AA+Book+of+Commandments%2C+for+the+Government+of+the+Church+of+Christ&as_publication=&as_ylo=1833&as_yhi=1833&btnG=Search Scholar search]
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Porter
| first=Larry C.
| title=Reverend George Lane—Good "Gifts", Much "Grace", and Marked "Usefulness"
| journal=[[BYU Studies]]
| volume=9
| issue=3
| year=1969
| pages=321–40
| url=https://byustudies.byu.edu/shop/PDFSRC/9.3Porter.pdf
|format=PDF}}.
#{{Citation
| first=Orson
| last=Pratt
| author-link=Orson Pratt
| title= A Interesting Account of Several Remarkable Visions, and of the Late Discovery of Ancient American Records
| place=Edinburgh
| publisher=Ballantyne and Hughes
| year=1840
| url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/u?/NCMP1820-1846,325
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Quinn
| first=D. Michael
| author-link=D. Michael Quinn
| title=[[Early Mormonism and the Magic World View]]
| publisher=[[Signature Books]]
| edition=2d
| year=1998
| isbn=1-56085-089-2
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Ray
| first=Craig N.
| title=Joseph Smith's History Confirmed
| publisher=[[Foundation for Apologetic Information & Research]]
| year=2002
| url=http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/jshist.pdf
|format=PDF}}.
#{{Citation
| editor-last=Roberts
| editor-first=B. H.
| editor-link=Brigham Henry Roberts
| title=[[History of the Church|History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints]]
| volume=1
| publisher=[[Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints|LDS Church]]
| year=1902
| url=http://books.google.com/books?id=sx3s_H3seGAC
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Smith
| first=Joseph, Jr.
| author-link=Joseph Smith, Jr.
| chapter=History of the Life of Joseph Smith
| year=1832
| chapter-url = http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Life_of_Joseph_Smith&oldid=314384
| editor-last=Jessee
| editor-first=Dean C
| editor-link=Dean C. Jessee
| title = Personal Writings of Joseph Smith
| place = Salt Lake City
| publisher = [[Deseret Book]]
| publication-year = 2002
| isbn=1-57345-787-6
| url=http://deseretbook.com/personalwritings
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Smith
| first=Joseph, Jr.
| author-link=Joseph Smith, Jr.
| chapter=Diary of Joseph Smith, Jr.
| year=1835
| chapter-url = http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Diary_of_Joseph_Smith%2C_Jr._%281835-1836%29&oldid=340992
| editor-last=Jessee
| editor-first=Dean C
| editor-link=Dean C. Jessee
| title = Personal Writings of Joseph Smith
| place = Salt Lake City
| publisher = [[Deseret Book]]
| publication-year = 2002
| isbn=1-57345-787-6
| url=http://deseretbook.com/personalwritings
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Smith
| first=Joseph, Jr.
| author-link=Joseph Smith, Jr.
| title=Church History [Wentworth Letter]
| journal=[[Times and Seasons]]
| volume=3
| issue=9
| pages=706–10
| year=1842a
| date=[[1 March]] [[1842]]
| format=[[PDF]]
| url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/u?/NCMP1820-1846,9801
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Smith
| first=Joseph, Jr.
| author-link=Joseph Smith, Jr.
| title=History of Joseph Smith
| journal=[[Times and Seasons]]
| volume=3
| issue=10
| pages=726–28
| year=1842b
| date=[[15 March]] [[1842]]
| url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/u?/NCMP1820-1846,9815
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Smith
| first=Joseph, Jr.
| author-link=Joseph Smith, Jr.
| title=History of Joseph Smith
| journal=[[Times and Seasons]]
| volume=3
| issue=11
| pages=748–49
| year=1842c
| date=[[1 April]] [[1842]]
| url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/u?/NCMP1820-1846,9825
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Smith
| first=Lucy Mack
| author-link=Lucy Mack Smith
| title=[[Biographical Sketches of Joseph Smith the Prophet, and His Progenitors for Many Generations]]
| place=Liverpool
| publisher=S.W. Richards
| year=1853
| url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/u?/NCMP1847-1877,2899
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Smith
| first=William
| author-link=William Smith (Latter Day Saints)
| title=William Smith on Mormonism: A True Account of the Origin of the Book of Mormon
| place=Lamoni, Iowa
| publisher=[[RLDS Church]]
| year=1883
| url=http://www.olivercowdery.com/smithhome/1883Wilm.htm
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Smith
| first=William
| author-link=William Smith (Mormonism)
| title=The Old Soldier's Testimony
| journal=[[The Saints' Herald]]
| volume=34
| issue=39
| year=1884
| pages=643–44
| url = http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/IA/sain1882.htm#100484
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Taylor
| first=John
| author-link=John Taylor (Latter Day Saints)
| title=How a Knowledge of God is Obtained—The Gospel to the Dead—Various Dispensations of the Most High to Mankind—Power of the Priesthood—Restoration of the Gospel Through Joseph Smith—Failings of the Saints—Corruptions of the Wicked
| journal=[[Journal of Discourses]]
| volume=21
|date=December 7, 1879
| pages=155–167
| url = http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cgi-bin/docviewer.exe?CISOROOT=/JournalOfDiscourses3&CISOPTR=9615
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Tucker
| first=Pomeroy
| title=Origin, Rise and Progress of Mormonism
| place=New York
| publisher=D. Appleton
| year=1867
| url=http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC09549357&id=resQAAAAIAAJ
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Turner
| first=Orasmus
| title=History of the Pioneer Settlement of Phelps and Gorham's Purchase, and Morris' Reserve
| place=[[Rochester, New York]]
| publisher=William Alling
| year=1851
| url=http://olivercowdery.com/texts/1851Trn1.htm#turn1851
}}.
#{{Citation
| editor-last=Vogel
| editor-first=Dan
| editor-link=Dan Vogel
| title=Early Mormon Documents
| volume=1
| place=Salt Lake City
| publisher=[[Signature Books]]
| year=1996
| isbn=1-56085-072-8
}}.
#{{Citation
| editor-last=Vogel
| editor-first=Dan
| editor-link=Dan Vogel
| title=Early Mormon Documents
| volume=2
| place=Salt Lake City
| publisher=[[Signature Books]]
| year=1999
| isbn=1-56085-093-9
}}.
#{{Citation
| editor-last=Vogel
| editor-first=Dan
| editor-link=Dan Vogel
| title=Early Mormon Documents
| volume=3
| place=Salt Lake City
| publisher=[[Signature Books]]
| year=2000
| isbn=1-56085-133-2
}}.
#{{Citation
| editor-last=Vogel
| editor-first=Dan
| editor-link=Dan Vogel
| title=Early Mormon Documents
| volume=4
| place=Salt Lake City
| publisher=[[Signature Books]]
| year=2002
| isbn=1-56085-159-2
}}.
#{{Citation
| editor-last=Vogel
| editor-first=Dan
| editor-link=Dan Vogel
| title=Early Mormon Documents
| volume=5
| place=Salt Lake City
| publisher=[[Signature Books]]
| year=2003
| isbn=1-56085-170-8
}}.
#{{Citation
| last=Waite
| first=David Nye, Sr.
| title=The Prairies, Nauvoo, Joseph Smith, the Temple, the Mormons &c
| date=August 30, 1843
| newspaper=Pittsburgh Gazette
| url=http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/PA/penn1842.htm#091543
}}.
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{{refbegin|2}}
*{{Citation
| last=Anderson
| first=Richard Lloyd
| author-link=Richard Lloyd Anderson
| title=Circumstantial Confirmation Of the first Vision Through Reminiscences
| journal=[[BYU Studies]]
| volume=9
| issue=3
| year=1969
| pages=373–404
| url = https://byustudies.byu.edu/shop/PDFSRC/9.3Anderson.pdf
|format=PDF}}.
* {{Citation
| last=Andrus
| first = Hyrum Leslie
| title = Doctrines of the Kingdom
| publisher = [[Bookcraft]]
| location = Salt lake City, UT
| year = 1973
}}, republished as {{Citation
| last=Andrus
| first = Hyrum L.
| title = Doctrines of the Kingdom: Volume III from the Series Foundations of the Millennial Kingdom of Christ
| publisher = [[Deseret Book]]
| location = Salt lake City
| year = 1999
| isbn = 1573454621
}}.
*{{Citation
| last1=Arrington
| first1=Leonard
| author1-link=Leonard J. Arrington
| last2=Bitton
| first2=Davis
| author2-link=Davis Bitton
| title=The Mormon Experience
| publisher=[[University of Illinois Press]]
| year=1992
| isbn =0252062361
| url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=ak64mcdZlg4C&dq=Smith+Missouri+%22trumped+up%22+1838&source=gbs_summary_s&cad=0
}}.
*{{Citation
| last=Bennett
| first=John C.
| author-link=John C. Bennett
| title=The History of the Saints; or, an Exposé of Joe Smith and Mormonism
| place=Boston
| publisher=Leland & Whiting
| year=1842
| url=http://books.google.com/books?id=0lY3AAAAMAAJ
}}.
*{{Citation
| last=Berge
| first=Dale L.
| title=Archaeological Work at the Smith Log House
| journal=[[Ensign (LDS magazine)|Ensign]]
| volume=15
| issue=8
| date=August 1985
| pages=24
| url = http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1985.htm/ensign%20august%201985%20.htm/archaeological%20work%20at%20the%20smith%20log%20house.htm?fn=document-frameset.htm$f=templates$3.0
}}.
*{{Citation
| last=Bidamon
| first=Emma Smith
| author-link=Emma Hale Smith
| chapter=Letter to Emma S. Pilgrim
| date=March 27, 1876
| editor-last=Vogel
| editor-first=Dan
| editor-link=Dan Vogel
| title=Early Mormon Documents
| volume=1
| publisher=[[Signature Books]]
| publication-year=1996
| isbn=1-56085-072-8
}}.
*{{Citation
| last = Brodie
| first = Fawn M.
| author-link = Fawn M. Brodie
| title = [[No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith]]
| publisher = [[Alfred A. Knopf|Knopf]]
| location = New York
| year = 1971
| edition = 2nd
| isbn = 0394469674
}}
*{{Citation
| last=Bushman
| first=Richard Lyman
| author-link=Richard Bushman
| title=[[Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling]]
| year=2005
| place=New York
| publisher=[[Alfred A. Knopf|Knopf]]
| isbn=1400042704
}}.
*{{Citation
| last = Bushman | first = Richard Lyman
| author-link=Jon Krakauer
| title=[[Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith]]
| year=2003
| isbn=0-385-50951-0
| publisher=[[Doubleday (publisher)|Doubleday]]
| place=New York
}}.
*{{Citation
| last=Lapham
| first=<nowiki>[La]</nowiki>Fayette
| title=Interview with the Father of Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet, Forty Years Ago. His Account of the Finding of the Sacred Plates
| journal=Historical Magazine <nowiki>[second series]</nowiki>
| volume=7
| year=1870
| pages=305–309
| url= http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Historical_Magazine_%28second_series%29/Volume_7/May_1870/Interview_with_the_Father_of_Joseph_Smith&oldid=314358
}}.
*{{Harvard reference
| last=Larson
| first=Charles M.
| title=By His Own Hand Upon Papyrus
| publisher=Institute of Religious Research
| place=Grand Rapids, Michigan
| year=1985
| isbn=0962096326
}}.
*{{Citation
| last=La Rue
| first=William Earl
| title=The Foundations of Mormonism: A Study of the Fundamental Facts in the History and Doctrines of the Mormons from Original Sources
| publisher=Fleming H. Revell Company
| location=New York
| year=1919
| url=http://books.google.com/books?id=dHYTAAAAYAAJ
}}.
*{{Citation
| last1=Lewis
| first1=Joseph
| last2=Lewis
| first2=Hiel
| title=Mormon History
| periodical=Amboy Journal
| volume=24
| issue=5
| date=April 30, 1879
| pages=1
| url = http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/IL/miscill3.htm#043079
}}.
*{{Citation
| last=Mack
| first=Solomon
| title=A Narraitve <nowiki>[sic]</nowiki> of the Life of Solomon Mack
| publisher=Windsor: Solomon Mack
| year=1811
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